Oblivion talk:Arena (faction)/Archive 1

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Request: Console command for getting back in

After being disqualified for the second time, there must surely be a console command or two for getting back in. Can someone fix this? --MiSP 16:50, 18 April 2006 (EDT)

Someone should check this, but I'm pretty sure Atronarch Familiars from Frostcrag Spire are unable to enter the Arena. I tried to bring mine in with me, but he never showed up after I went through the door.--Fenring (05:57, 20 May 2006)

Bug

I did the quest for the grand champion and challenged him, i killed him before he could talk to me in the arena. I want to loot his body but he then talks to me: "Please kill me" or something like that... I hit him another time and then i finally could loot him. But... now i can't finish the quest. That lady that sends you to the arena keeps telling me that i should fight the grand champion. It's really weird... anyone else experienced this? — Unsigned comment by Spike (talk • contribs) on 20. May 2006

I am having the exact same problem! Have you had any luckW477ZY 06:12, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Ring of Namira

Many fights can be won simply by doing the Namira Daedric Shrine Quest and obtaining the reward ring. Stats: Reflect Damage 12% on Self, Reflect Spell 10% on Self, Constant Effect. With the reflect damage component, one can simply block and have opponents literally beat themselves to death. Add a summoned creature like a headless zombie or flame atronach and you may never even have to swing your weapon. Either way, the ring (attainable at level 5) makes the fights alot easier at any difficulty level. — Unsigned comment by Vertis (talk • contribs) on 23. May 2006

Everlasting Adoring Fan?

I only jokingly referred to him as a "Super-Saiyen Candle," but like most DBZ characters he came back to life. Killing the Gray Prince failed to attract the Dark Brotherhood's attention in my game, so I invited the fan into an inn room and killed him instead. About halfway through the DB quests he showed up again, running up to me in another town. Has anyone else had the Adoring Fan come back after death? And death by who? Saracoth 19:06, 2 June 2006 (EDT)

Think I saw somewhere that he'll respawn every 24 hours or so in-game. But you can always tell him to "beat it" (ie stay put) and he won't bother you... that much at least ;) Lovykar 11:22, 16 February 2007 (EST)

He always comes back. My friend led him into Oblivion, let him die there, and left him there. An hour later he came back in the middle of the last quest, freaked us both out. MadeMan21021 00:39, 11 February 2008 (EST)MadeMan21021MadeMan21021 00:39, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Choosing Between Light/Heavy

If you start with heavy raiment in the arena and decide later to use light instead its says you can't go back and choose again but you can TAKE not STEAL it from a cupboard behind Owyn and you will see 5 of each raiments (heavy and light) — Unsigned comment by Hazer396 (talk • contribs) on 24. July 2006

Disintegrate Weapon Bug

I don't see much on this anyplace so... Many of the arena fights can be won incredibly easily just by disintegrating the weapon of the opponent. At least 1/2 of the string of fights, the opponents have 'NO' hand to hand skills... and just bob around and shout insults after being disarmed. Its kinda funny and a great way to skill up unused skills target practicing on the unarmed/harmless opponent (like archery on a mage). — Unsigned comment by 199.64.0.252 (talk) on 19. December 2006

First Brawler fight

My first brawler fight (right after the ranger) was a guy with a battleaxe and shield, not a battlemage. I know I'm a brawler, and I know that was my first fight as being one. Anyone else have the same guy so I can change the the matches section? --Werdnanoslen^Talk 13:10, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Efficient Creature Fighting

I am now the Grand Champion, but I can't decide what's the best way to go with the number of creatures to fight. I'm a level five now, and I'm trying to underlevel. So, my question is, what's the most efficient way of making money here since the more monsters I fight at a time, the longer the fights drag on and the less money I can earn. Also, is the number of creatures I fight against set in stone at the beginning or can I choose how many I fight before each fight? --Werdnanoslen^Talk 10:06, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Answered my own question --Werdnanoslen^Talk 11:30, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Glitch!!

Once i've looted the gray princes body and go back to talk with the woman there is no option to finish the quest. Does ANYONE know how to fix this bug if so repost under this or email me on david3939@hotmail.com
I'm an xbox 360 player and level 23 with saves ONLY after i've killed him =(
thanks — Unsigned comment by 81.156.82.192 (talk) on 23. February 2007

Well, did you make sure you took his Raiment of Valor? Also did you do his quest or not? Pappasmurf 09:35, 23 February 2007 (EST)

The same thing is happening to me and i took his raiment and it still isn't working and ive tried reloading from before the match and have fought him at least 5 times but it still isn't working could someone please help me.i have it for 360 so i can't trigger it...

I Figured it out!!! you need to talk to the gray prince and also have all of the updates (assuming that you did the extra quest for him) then it will work!!!!!!!! — Unsigned comment by 24.250.224.121 (talk) on 18. July 2007

I had the same problem. What fixed it for me was talking to the Gray Prince just after the gates drop and then fighting him. Previously, I had just attacked out of the gate and killed him before he could talk to me. --DonAtreides 17:38, 2 February 2008 (EST)

If you don't have a fully patched game, get it fully patched. When I was struggling through my game as a vampire, it wouldn't let me finish the Cure for Vampirism quest, but when I installed Knights of the Nine, and Shivering Isles, I could finish it. MadeMan21021 00:42, 11 February 2008 (EST)MadeMan21021MadeMan21021 00:42, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Glitch part Deux

Discovered this page had a link to the glitches page, referencing content deleted last August. Rather than recreate it on the glitchs page, which is rather full, I have tried to place all the relevant information in the article itself. It seems as if its still relevnt as the question above refers to it. (although sadly there seems to be no x-box solution.) Comments on whether this is a good way to resolve such situations, (51 pages currently l;ink to glitchs that may well no longer be there,) are welcome. Jadrax 22:52, 24 February 2007 (EST)

I agree that quest-specific glitches such as this one should live on the quest page. In my opinion, the Glitches page should focus on issues that affect general gameplay; it can mention (with links) quest-specific game-crashing glitches and glitches where it may not be clear that they're connected to a quest. If you're willing to tackle more of the deleted glitches and restore them that would be great. Feel free to use your judgement on where you think the restored info should be put: the most important thing is to have the info accessible to readers. --Nephele 01:44, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Glitch part 3

Upon entering the Arena and completing the first fight by killing the guy, and using the basin, when speaking with Owyn after the fight he doesnt close it and you cant progress any further in the Arena.

Any ideas?? — Unsigned comment by 86.31.98.248 (talk) on 28. March 2007

I have the same problem can someone please figure out how to fix this? — Unsigned comment by 68.63.128.141 (talk) on 19. January 2008

Completing Arena

I've finished the entire Arena questline (beaten Grand Champion after doing the origins quest) a while ago, and I've been doing the weekly battles since then. However, even though I've been through countless weekly skirmishes, the Arena quest is still in my current quests section. Is there any way to make it actually finish (it says something along the lines of, "I can go to the arena each week to choose what enemies I can fight," (this is a very rough recollection, as I do not have the game on right now) and it will not complete. There is nothing wrong with the quest itself, just my journal, and I won't be able to technically 100% the game. I'm using the Xbox 360, so no console commands will suffice : (. --Werdnanoslen^Talk 22:41, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

The quest is complete, but because it has continuous weekly battles the game thinks the quest isn't complete. — Unsigned comment by Maugan Ra (talk • contribs) on 7. July 2007

What is being described is that in open quests, there are TWO Arena entries. One says Arena:I've got eveything. The other says Arena:BlahBlahBlah about the weekly fights. How do you close out the Arena:I've got everything? — Unsigned comment by 76.225.188.247 (talk) on 23. October 2007

You should be able to finish it using the console command completequest Arena. If you're not on the PC version, then I don't believe there's any way to get rid of that quest. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:29, 23 October 2007 (EDT)

wow all those glitches.... that SUCKS for yall i just beat the arena and it was way to easy... i guess thats cause i was level 2 and they were only like 5 but still i should be way harder — Unsigned comment by 75.16.108.144 (talk) on 7. January 2008

Grand Champion

This page states that the Grand Champion "...is a level 10 Orc...", this doesn't seem right, surely he levels up with you like everyone else. Grandmaster z0b 10:14, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Nope, Agronak gro-Malog's level is fixed; he is always a level 10 orc. --Nephele^Talk 11:08, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

All enemies stay the same level, only their stats increase as you level up. Though, don't take me entirely by my word. :P --Brandol 06:04, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Actually no. Some NPCs stay the same level and so their stats stay the same too: Agronak is an example of that type. Others (Castellan Athon sprang to mind so that's the link you get :) ) level up with the player. He, for instance, is always 5 levels above the player and his stats move up according to the formulae at NPCs. When you read the details there, you'll understand why the formulae are so nasty and have that little "PC=A-B" rider attached. —Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 19:01, 30 December 2007 (EST)

advantages edit

Describing the adoring fan as a "roadie" seems wrong, I changed it to "groupie". A roadie isn't a fan that follows a band around, rather they are paid stage hands and technicians on the tour. I'm not quite volunteering to do it just yet but this whole page could be cleaned up. Grandmaster z0b 10:21, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for volunteering to revamp the page ;) Seriously, if you ever do want to work on this page I agree that it could use a lot of work. If you'd like to tackle it but need any data to do it (e.g., statistics on the opponents in each round of fights), let me know. I'm getting pretty handy at creating tables of just about anything in the construction set :) --Nephele^Talk 11:13, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Kill the Grand Champion Without Infamy

This should be obvious, but I discovered it by accident tonight. Wear the Gray Cowl of Nocturnal when you kill the Grand Champion and you don't get the infamy (assuming you did his quest first and infamy is a problem). Remove it before being declared champion yourself and you get the fame. Ch-ching. — Unsigned comment by 69.201.152.229 (talk) on 21. May 2007

This is more of a request for confirmation; I did his "Origin" quest, then killed him in the arena, but the only thing I show is a murder credit - no infamy! Where is this infamy people are speaking of? I have tried various methods and I never get an infamy point. (It stays pegged at 28, if that is a factor). If you indeed do NOT get infamy, it would be nice to expunge the article of any inaccurate information. -- Guest 06:53, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Kill The Gray Prince (after receiving his training) without attracting the Dark Brotherhood.

I finally found a way! I got the idea when, by complete accident, I shot the gray prince and the force of the blow sent his corpse flying up into the air and into one of those flaming pillars. Let the fire kill him! I just pulled it off successfully and he didn't even have to go flying into the fire. When the gates dropped I let him run up and talk to me. Then I moved him up against the closest flaming pillar, then I pelted him with arrows hoping to get a knockback attack that would send him up into the fire (which didn't happen). Instead, the strikes must have pushed him into the pillar model and the fire got the final blow. I didn't get the Observed by Unseen Forces message.I looted his armor, checked my stat page, and low and behold, no Murder count. RumblePen 01:24, 28 June 2007 (EDT)RumblePen

The other method is to poison him. Make a "damage health" potion(s). Hit Gray Prince with your weapon until his health is very low, poison your weapon and then make one last hit. Make sure that he doesn't die from a blow of your weapon, but that he dies from the poison. No murder stat and everyone is happy. — Unsigned comment by 80.221.47.24 (talk) on 22. August 2007

There is another method, which I think the programmers hoped to happened. When the Gray Prince exits the gate, he will act like a regular fighter: Run up to you and attack. He will most likely get two swings in before surrendering. This will flag the system, showing that he attacked first. --Brandol 17:46, 2 February 2008 (EST)

Glitch after talking to the Gray Prince

Once I finished the quest and gave him the journal he taught me stuff and then after awhile, I challenged him and he says yes and I get a quest saying "I've got everything" now this thing doesn't go away, I know the other one stays telling you about fighting monsters,but this one doesn't.If someone can help,please contact me at ichigo995@yahoo.com. I can't use console commands since I play one the xbox360. — Unsigned comment by Ichigo (talk • contribs) on 4. July 2007

It would really help if you could provide a bit more in the way of accurate information. For example, what is the name of this quest that appeared (check in your journal and see what the exact title is of the quest)? Or even just providing the exact text of the dialogue, because there is no dialogue anywhere that says "I've got everything". So right now, I basically have no information to go on, except that a quest appeared, which really doesn't narrow things down at all. --Nephele^Talk 21:05, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

I can't check right now, but it says The Arena or something similar. It says "I've got everything" that's all. It happened after I challenged the Gray Prince in which I got this quest, when I challenged him without doing the Gray prince quest, this was not added, but after I did the quest and challenged him, I got this. This happened to two other characters of mine except the first one.The first one had no downloads,it was a different disc. I think I gave him the journal exactly when I was going to challenge him which might've been why I didn't get the weird log entry in my active quest log. It also might've not happened because I had no downloads, but I'm not sure. Hope thats enough information — Unsigned comment by Ichigo (talk • contribs) on 4. July 2007

"That journal entry means that you finished all the fights, the Grey Prince is the last "official" fight in the arena, so that is the last journal entry for the arena quests. So it isn't a glitch it is meant to happen." <- It is a glitch, and same thing with PC version, except you can remove it from console. — Unsigned comment by Maugan Ra (talk • contribs) on 7. July 2007

I am having the same issue. I believe it happened to me when I challenged him before accepting his quest. I remember it popping up after him saying (disapointedly) "oh, but your a champion now...I guess your too busy...) or somethign to that effect. I think he asumes your not going to do his quest (since you challenged him and he has to accept). So I guess this will go away after you beat him and/or finish his quest (origins of the grey prince). Also, I followed the direction on my compass while making "Arena: I got Everythin" my active quest. It leads me to the middle of nowhere with nothing to be seen in the immediate area. I did however find some ruins nearby. Didn't go inside, but got a chance to open up a can... on a couple of rogue mages. They where pretty tough (summoning creature and such). But they have some gold and potions when you take them out. -- Quix — Unsigned comment by 63.97.206.2 (talk) on 25. October 2007

I'm having the exact same problem, but reading the entry here implies the problem is actually caused by the Dunbarrow Cave DLC - I notice that no-one has a 360 fix, so the question has to be: can you remove the Dunbarrow DLC, and this allows you to complete the Arena, and then redownload it afterwards? -- Craig — Unsigned comment by 172.203.133.95 (talk) on 10. January 2008

Yes, you can install any DLCs on the Xbox 360 (see Xbox 360 for details). Doing so means you will lose any items added by the mod, but after you reinstall it, you can redo the "quest" and get new copies of the items. --Nephele^Talk 19:19, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Sadly, it doesn't fix the bug. If you remove Dunbarrow DLC and then restart, it does remove the incorrect journal entry ("Arena: I've Got Everything") and resets the Arena quest to having to challenge the Grand Champion. You get a marker for where he appears in the Arena, but as his dead body has vanished, you can't do anything with it and therefore cannot complete the quest. -- Craig. — Unsigned comment by 172.203.133.95 (talk) on 10. January 2008

Quest ever finish after killing 1-3 Minatour lords

Does the Quest ever finish after killing the 3 Minitaurs. Ive been versing them for ages and that uest has never gone away. Does it? 124.168.32.252 21:45, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

No, since the arena is a continuous quest, it always stays active. There is no way (to my knowledge) to finish the quest. — Unsigned comment by Maugan Ra (talk • contribs) on 7. July 2007

Two Glitches?

• In one of my early Arena fights, my actions were noticed by the Dark Brotherhood as a result of winning the match. I don't mean the final match - this was one of the early rounds. Never had that happen before.
• When I face two ogres and one land dreugh, one of the ogres gets caught in the tunnel and runs in place as if he's trapped behind an invisible wall. I can stand two feet from him and pelt him with arrows and he won't leave the tunnel, just run in place. This is the PC version. It's happened all three times I've fought post-championship matches - three times in a row. — Unsigned comment by 66.14.104.198 (talk) on 20. August 2007

Yeah I remember that happening to me both times I have played. In my scenario he gets stuck behind the caged area next to the "yellow teams" door and cant do nothing. I just flame broiled him. But in neigther case did I get noticed by the Dark Brotherhood. --Quix — Unsigned comment by 63.97.206.2 (talk) on 25. October 2007

This has happen to me also, yet it was the final battle. What was strange though, is he has already hit me before I hit him. Strange. --Brandol 06:02, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Reward Problems

Ok so i have killed the first person in the arena, the announcement asked me to leave the arena. I went to the basin to clean up etc and then moved to Owyn to get my reward. There is no option shown for getting the reward, all he does is say i have to go back up to the arena but when i do there is just a body there from the previous match and nothing else happens. — Unsigned comment by 195.137.93.150 (talk) on 11. September 2007

You don't get an option for reward - you get it as soon as you talk to Owyn (it should flash up in the top-left corner of the screen). There's one piece of dialogue with "back up to the arena" in it, which is "You must be downright determined to get yourself killed, huh? Okay then, head back up to the Arena and try not to die before the gate opens." - and that only comes after you've asked for another match. If you have problems here, try using the Wait option and see if that clears it. --Rpeh^Talk 09:10, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

Tried the wait option, went back up, all there is up there is the body of the previous dead contestant :S dont seem to have anything saying to head back up either he keeps saying he has already approved the match... — Unsigned comment by 195.137.93.150 (talk) on 12. September 2007

Hmm. I've not heard of this one before. If you're on the PC, try bringing up the console then clicking on the corpse and typing "resurrect". With a bit of luck that'll bring your opponent back to life so you can kill him again. If you're not on the PC, you're going to have to reload a previous saved game by the sound of it. --Rpeh^Talk 08:26, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

Tried the resurrect idea of yours, yes she got back up, killed her again, went downstairs and still nothing from Owyn and the next match doesn't load up with a new contestant. Done the resurrect thing a few times (making sure it's between 9am and 9pm for matches) and nothing at all... just confusion on my part. Emailed official site and still waiting to hear their opinion. — Unsigned comment by 195.137.93.150 (talk) on 12. September 2007

This one's a guess based on the script that runs the arena. In the console, try set Arena.FightOver to 1 and see if that does it. I haven't tried this myself as I don't have the game with me at the moment. --Rpeh^Talk 06:40, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

set Arena.FightOver 1 didnt seem to make a difference. After thinking for a little while I tried setting it to 0, setting ArenaDialogue to 0 and setting all the stages etc to 0 just to see if it would help (figured i could try and restart the quest line completely) but all that ended up doing was that it made me have to resurrect the body of the first contestant before it would let me out the arena... and then it still wouldnt let me move to the next contestant. Any ideas on if it is possible to restart a quest totally? Or any other ideas for that matter. Still no reply from official site hmmm... {{unsigned|195.137.93.150|13. September

(Outdent) It is not possible to restart a quest; setting quest stages to 0 will have absolutely no effect. See the discussion at Oblivion:Console Command Tutorial#SetStage QuestID Stage.

Have you installed any mods that might be having an effect here? For example, mods that alter the game creatures?

One other variable you could try setting is set Arena.CombatantsKilled 1. Again, it's just another guess from looking at the scripts that normally get run when an arena fight is over. --Nephele^Talk 12:04, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

Looking through Owyn's dialogue options it looks like the CombatantsKilled variable is the key one that triggers the first reward dialogue. That dialogue then triggers everything else that is supposed to happen at the end of a match.

That variable is normally set by the script ArenaCombatant, which is the script attached to the Yellow Team Pit Dog. When the yellow team person dies, for whatever reason, that variable should automatically get incremented. If it didn't happen for you, the first place I'd look for problems is in the mods that you're running. Something is changing the opponent who appears in the arena to not be the standard NPC or is messing with the ArenaCombatant script. --Nephele^Talk 12:33, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

Nope, no mods whatsoever installed. Set Arena.CombatantsKilled to 1 and still nothing changed. Also tried setting it to 0, resurrecting the previous combatant and killing her again but still nothing from Owyn. — Unsigned comment by 195.137.93.150 (talk) on 13. September 2007

Finishing Pit-Dog Match

(moved from main article by Rpeh)

• There is one final bug (Which my game is currently doing) where after you defeat your first match as a pit dog, Owyn doesn't recognize it at all, and you are unable to do any further Arena Missions... (If you have a solution to this bug, please edit this section out with instructions... I really would like some help >_>) — Unsigned comment by 72.49.120.150 (talk) on 4. October 2007

Simple Question About Followers

Which of the followers, if any, will follow you into the Arena? I forgot to test this when I had Martin and Jauffre ambling around behind me. IWon'tFightUndead 13:19, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Glitch the Fourth

(moved from the article)
dont know how or why but sometimes after beating the arena quest everyone you talk ot will have the ready for a match button but will not speak when clicked unless they are a female imperial ??? weird — Unsigned comment by 220.238.90.30 (talk) on 9. December 2007

Easy but "Fair" Arena Win(s)

(moved from Oblivion Talk:Glitches)

Scaled levels mean you can take advantage of certain things which are constant in relation to things which actually go up (like health points). At the lowest levels, a violent sneeze will kill most people, but they still take the same amount of time to cross the arena floor. This means if one of the very first things you do on a new game is go straight to the Arena, some of your combatants will drop from one well-placed steel arrow to the face (ouch) before they can cross the metal grate, and many won't survive the next blow or spell you land on them. The next to last fight before becoming Arena Champion will be the first one to take longer than about 10 seconds. This is also a ludicrously fast way to get 12-15 fame so you can go buy whatever house you want. Basically, you do proportionally less damage over time with standard attacks as you level up, so the earlier you fight, the higher your relative DPS is. — Unsigned comment by 68.52.36.194 (talk) on 7. January 2007

List of Arena Names

A list of the names and/or titles might be helpful. Would have made the edit myself, but I didn't want to rock the boat too much. — Unsigned comment by Davehoekst (talk • contribs) on 27. March 2008

Do you mean the rank names? Those are already listed on the right side of the article. –Eshe^talk17:00, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

No, I mean the list names/titles you can choose to be called during your final battle with Agronak. Like "Dragonheart". –Davehoekst^talk17:07, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Ah - good idea. Here's the list: the Spellslinger, the Butcher, Shadowstep, the Black Arrow, Skullcrusher, the Divine Avenger, the Messenger of Death, the Crimson Blade, Man o' War, Sir Slaughter, the Tamriel Terror, Dragonheart, Lady Luck, and the Iron Maiden. Before those go on the article, there needs to be a check on which can be offered to male and which to female characters. Presumably some can go to both. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 18:33, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Did some researching and found out that the only names that are available to Females are Iron Maiden and Lady Luck. Everything else is strictly male. I've got a link, hope I can post it in here. –Davehoekst^talk18:54, March 27, 2008 (EDT) http://oblivion.gamewikis.org/wiki/Arena#Championship

Well, that's not quite true. I happen to have a female character with the title "Shadowstep" ;). "Lady Luck" and "Iron Maiden" are probably only available for female characters, but they aren't the only two options. From the looks of it, "Sir Slaughter" is only available to male characters. Man o' War seems like it should be, too, but I'm not sure.

Here's what I'm seeing in the CS (these are IDs for Arena dialogue topics):

Editor ID	Title
ArenaChampName1	The Spellslinger
ArenaChampName10f	The Iron Maiden
ArenaChampName10m	Sir Slaughter
ArenaChampName11	The Tamriel Terror
ArenaChampName12	Dragonheart
ArenaChampName2	The Butcher
ArenaChampName3	Shadowstep
ArenaChampName4	The Black Arrow
ArenaChampName5	Skullcrusher
ArenaChampName6	The Divine Avenger
ArenaChampName7	The Messenger of Death
ArenaChampName8	The Crimson Blade
ArenaChampName9	Man o' War
ArenaChampName9f	Lady Luck

From the looks of it, most of the names are available to both male and female characters. The IDs ending in f are presumably available only to females and the one ending in m is presumably available only to males. That's just my guess, though. What do you guys think? –Eshe^talk20:56, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

9 and 10m are only available to male characters; 9f and 10f are only available to female characters; 1-8, 11, and 12 are available to all characters. The gender determination is done by the previous dialogue with Ysabel, under the topic "Ready for a Match", namely the two possible lines starting "So you're ready to fight the Gray Prince...." The "Choices" box for each of those two dialogues determines which names are made available for male and female characters, respectively. --Nephele^Talk 22:30, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

So is this information ready to add to the main page then? I'm willing to do it but I'd have questions on what form it should take (table, list, etc...), whether or not it should be in its own section or as a part of the Final Match section. Alternatively, it could be posted like it is on Obliviwiki, but that would mean an overhaul of the entire article, not to mention possible issues with copying ideas w/o consent. Thoughts? –Davehoekst^talk12:18, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

Done. I decided a separate section was best but if anybody wants to move it elsewhere they should obviously feel free. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:31, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

Another glitch

This is to do with the person you place your bets with.

I just became Grand Champion and used The Gray Cowl afterwards for feather enchantments and I spoke to the person where you place your bets. Afterwards an Imperial Guard approached me hastily and did the usual attack and then I put my Grand Amber Helmet on and I yielded, and the person started fighting for me and the guard attacked him and chased him into the spectator area. I was then told that he was unconcious but he now won't return from the spectator area, but I know he's in there because I use life detect and I can see his haze.

172.143.7.89 19:18, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Scratch that, he just returned. Redguard Elite 14:30, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Thieves' Den glitch

Is there any way of fixing it on the 360? Will un-installing the mod help?--LordDagon 12:06, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Easy Fight Against Yellow Team Champ

I was just messing around and reverse pickpocketed an enchanted hood I named: AAAAAAH!! I'm Freezin!!, which has the effect of a constant 5 points of frost damage, into the inventory of the Yellow Team Champion when I was a Pit Dog. My hope was to kill her and the loot her body for her armor and weapons, but then I realized she was an essential character and couldn't be killed, only rendered unconsious. Despite the annoying message that popped up every few minutes telling me she was unconsious, when it came time to fight her, it was a desperatly easy fight. Althought, I might want to add that four bugs/glitches occured during this experiment: first of all, after ranking up a couple of times, I could walk through her in the Bloodworks, second, a few rank-ups after that, she was invisible (sort of...you could see/hear where her weapon was hitting the dummy and her talking/yelling, but couldn't see her), third, a few more rank-ups, and she wasn't in the bloodworks at all, and last, during the match, the hood was removed from her equiped items, although her health was still low. — Unsigned comment by Blktiger0 (talk • contribs) on 4. April 2008

Yet Another Glitch

I have completed the quest for the Gray Prince and then defeated him in the arena but when I go and talk to Ysabel she acts as if I haven't even challenged the Gray prince yet. I used a console command to make the journal entry appear that I have defeated the Gray prince and that I should see Ysabel to schedule more matches, but still she thinks I haven't defeated him. I have tried resurrecting and killing again, I also have taken the armor from his corpse. Any help would be great, even a console command to name me the Grand Champion but I would love to be able to continue to schedule the matches. W477ZY 06:08, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

I had a great idea, but I'm not sure if it's possible. Could somebody possibly make a mod that removes certain journal entries and names you as the grand champion of the arena. This is for all us out there that are rightly the arena champions but glitches have messed it up.W477ZY 07:06, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh and to make matters worse I can't bet on a fight because the person you place your bets with tells me I'm supposed to be fighting and that I can't bet on my own fight. — Unsigned comment by W477ZY (talk • contribs) on 30. April 2008

Yellow Team Raiment

Ok so I forget if I saw this on the net or in a dream, but apparently there's a whole bunch of glitched items throughout the game that players aren't normally supposed to find. Doing certain things of looting certain people you aren't supposed to loot usually ends up in you being able to see items with glitched box pictures (like the Mace of Doom, which I have). So basically, my question is, with acrobatics, speed and agility maxed, and a complete set of equippable items, all enchanted with Grand Souls to fortify acrobatics, and also some paintbrushes, would it be possible to view a fight, set up a paintbrush ladder on top of the viewing box (I've done this before, but without maxed stats), and then hop over that invisible barrier to get into the arena and kill the yellow team's guy and take his raiment? Obviously, to get back out you'd either fast travel or make a 2nd paintbrush ladder to get back over to the box. Would it work? Also were those messed items I was talking about earlier part of a dream I had, or did I really read it on the net? o.o 67.68.39.142 05:17, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

If you're just after the yellow team raiments, and you're on PC, you can just "coc testinghall" and go into the Armor Warehouse, where you can find them on one of the tables (along with the blue team raiments).

There are a number of items that the player should not be able to get hold of - many of them can be found in the various rooms off the testinghall, or in one of the other test zones.

Oh, and I don't know if the paintbrush/acrobatics trick works in the Arena. --Gaebrial 10:04, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

Enchanting Raiments?

If you enchant your Raiment, can you still use it in the Arena? --Debatra 17:06, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Nevermind, I didn't know they already were. --Debatra 17:11, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

I think they're enchanted already because if you did it yourself, it would remove the scripting that makes it legal arena equiptment. Good question, though. --M'aiq the Liar 22:48, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

Kill The Gray Prince without attracting the Dark Brotherhood. (Using Frenzy?)

What about using a Frenzy Spell/Scroll on him to get him to attack? (have not tried this myself yet. Will Tell my result when I have tested) — Unsigned comment by 85.229.72.235 (talk) on 22. July 2008

No, Frenzy doesn't make him attack - only be "aggressive" in-place. I tried with a Rally:100/Frenzy:lvl25 spell. All it did was make my summoned creature attack him, since he was now "hostile" - despite not moving at all. Still got a murder credit from that, since it was "my" minion. If you are concerned about getting a murder credit, using a poison to kill him doesn't trigger it. (It also works elsewhere too: you only get an assault credit, not murder!) Something that does damage-over-time works best; as long as the poison is what pushes him over the edge, you are fine. You can whittle him down low first by whacking him, if you aren't a high level alchemist.

An excellent combination to use is (Harrada, Frost Salts, Spiddal Stick, Milk Thistle) - this will result in a multi-effect potion with (Paralyze/Silence/Damage Health/Damage Magicka/Frost Damage). Paralyze might not show up unless you are at least 75, but the other effects will. If in dire straits for ingredients, make one then duplicate it using the scroll glitch. Again, anything that does damage-over-time works, as long as the poison is what kills him - not the strike that applies it.

Other solutions exist, like using Skull of Corruption/Sanguine Rose/Wabbajack a summon next to him, etc. There are many ways to avoid a murder credit in this game, if you play around a bit with the mechanics. -- Guest 07:03, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Minotaur Lords through the gates

Earlier this month ([1]), Dark Spark removed the following from the article:

"The minotaur lords can be killed with ranged weapons from the tunnel because they are too large to go through the gate. If you don't kill the minotaur lords fast enough using this method, then one or all of them might be transported into the tunnel with you. This is assumed to be a glitch; however, it is consistent in the game.

Post-HD-crash, I've finally got a character to the point where I can test this... and I found it was correct. The Minotaur Lords could NOT fit through the gate and I could pick them off at will. I'm playing on the PC version (non-GotY but with the plugins), although with the UOP at the moment. I'm going to try again without UOP, but I don't believe that will be a factor. Can anybody else confirm or deny? –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 17:37, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

• I can confirm, Xbox 360 (patched 1.2.1, no addons). They are just too big to enter the arched part of the hallway! Unfortunately, due to the geometry of the hallway this is inadvisable - for a rather awkward reason. Because of the layout of the hallway (sunken down about 10ft, looking up) and the fact the minotaur is constantly running straight at you - you get a disturbingly clear view of their dangly bits. I was heckled far more than necessary by passersby when verifying this. -- Guest 09:25, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Yellow Team Raiment

(moved from the article)

• Near the blademaster is a container that contains the yellow team raiment

I've moved this because I'm about 95% certain it's false but I can't check right now. The only way the Yellow Team Raiment is found near Ysabel is if a mod has put it there. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:48, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

When I was there recently, in my game which has a number of mods admittedly, I found a cupboard near to Owyn (not Ysabel) that contained heavy and light versions of both blue and yellow raiments. I don't know if it is like this in vanilla, or if one of the mods added it (my money's on the Exnem body stock clothing replacer, to be honest). --Gaebrial 03:52, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Just do what ImmortalKaine stated. Wait until the yellow team wins a fight, thne kill someone. Kill the guard that runs up and make sure the yellow team fighter appears to run at you. Walk outside and wait a few seconds. The gladiator will appear outside with you, allowing you to kill him/her and steal the raiment. Daedryon^{•T•C•E•} 03:55, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but that's not the point. The discussion was about whether or not there's container that holds the raiment and I've just checked: there isn't. Two raiment cupboards hold Blue raiments; one cupboard holds a skill book and clutter; one cupboard holds food; three sacks hold clutter. That's all the containers in the bloodworks. Furthermore, nothing apart from Yellow team fighters and test stuff has a Use reference on the light armor (heavy or light). It must have come from a mod. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:49, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Tag-a-longs

I have achieved the rank of Arch-Mage, and am working on the Arena matches. The Mage Apprentices from the Arcane University will not follow into the Arena. In answer to those who were curious ~~ Lady Grey — Unsigned comment by 70.212.43.26 (talk) on 15. August 2008

The Brothers Jemane don't follow either, they stay near the door in the Red Room. It seems just as some doors are set to not allow Mountain Lions through (doorknobs?), other doors have unique mechanisms that foil followers. -- Guest 09:32, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Bug

• There seems to be a bug that when you become the Grand Champion and fight against Minotaur Lords; you disarm or simply block their attacks with your Shield and their Warhammer drops on the ground; taking it will be considered a theft and will have a red flag. Rather rare, but annoying bug since you never know when this will happen so, you simply hesitate to pick them up the moment they drop them. (Posted by Webdemon00)

Can we get some verification for this? Daedryon^{•T•C•E•} 02:26, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

The crowd goes wild!

This happened to me after multiple matches, After I defeated my opponent I fled the arena, skipping the Font of renewal. Just for the hell of it, I brought the Sword of Jyggalag down upon Agronak gro-malog. As he was instantly knocked unconscious. Then as if I were still in the arena, there was a cheer from the crowd above. --M'aiq the Liar 22:54, 8 September 2008 (EDT)

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