User talk:Brightone

NPC for what?Edit

You'll laught at me but I dunno what NPC stands for. Maybe 'Native Player Character'? - No? --Brightone 15:50, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

"Non Player Character"... I made a point of spelling it out at NPCs, guessing that it's not an acronym everyone would recognize :) --Nephele 19:05, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

I've played several other RPGs and always thought it to be anything but Non-Player Character. I even thought of 'Non-Playable Character'! Thanks on that one :) --Brightone 02:32, 25 September 2006 (EDT)

UK and US spelling formsEdit

I'd like to make a note on how I'm going to be making changes to those pages written in AE. If I do a minor or insignificant change, I'll be leaving US spellings intact (with all due respect to the author's labour). However, if I do somehow manage to rewrite most of the text (because i can't be bothered leaving one half of it in AE and the other half in BE), i'll stick to the way i used to write. actually, there will always be someone who ruins the whole concept of it. --Brightone 16:49, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

Yes, that's the basic idea of a wiki. It allows someone else to ruin your work. :P It's good you are paying attention to something like this, but minor spelling differences are somewhat trivial although consistency is important. --FMan 17:05, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

There was a discussion at one point (Oblivion Talk:Leveled Items) about british vs american spellings. Although that case focussed on "leveled" vs "levelled", I've taken it to mean that in general US spellings are preferred, if for no other reason than then the words match how they are spelled in game (I'm assuming that there isn't a special UK release of the game?). I think this is a case where consistency is important. For example, creating a link to the Oblivion:Armor page requires that the spelling match. And if you want to do a search, it is alot more useful if you know that "armor" is used consistently on all pages (our search engine has enough problems already; we should do what we can to avoid breaking it even more!). So I've been trying to train myself to use US spellings, as ugly as they may look. But of course no one will complain about UK spellings: compared to some of the mangled postings that get made, the UK/US issue is insignificant. If it's something that you think needs to be discussed more broadly, feel free to bring it up on the community portal. --Nephele 17:15, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

And to add to that is the fact that Bethesda is headquartered in the US, and there are simply more US players than UK players. (Just by virtue of there being more people in the US in general.) Not that it matters that much, but it makes sense to me to keep the site as universal as possible, and that means using the spelling that will be most familiar to the largest number of people. Anyhow, I won't be changing BE spellings to AE unless it causes a problem for a link (like the Armor/Armour example.) --TheRealLurlock 17:30, 5 October 2006 (EDT)

There is a UK version of Oblivion on sale in Britain, AFAIK. Moreover, there's even a UK version of the latest patch for the game. I bought my copy of Oblivion in the early weeks of release and got a US version. There are numerous, huge discussions cencerning UK/US English on the web. Most of the posts I've read, however, focused on pronunciation and vocabulary. As for spelling, it is indeed, merely a mater of habit. I've never seen a brit spelling 'grey' as 'gray' though. I dunno whether 'gray' is or isn't acceptable in the UK, but many people totally reject its use. regarding "levelled", this is one of the many words (but not all) which follows the rule: when forming adjectives, past simple or past participle forms of verb, if a word ends in consonant-vowel-consonant, double the last consonant and append -ed. However, according to my dictionary, "leveled" is both believed to be correct and most commonly used in the US. What I've also noticed is that many (but not all) links on this website and therefore their source pages' names are in AE. Here's one link which is in BE, Raid on Greyland. So if you all guys want to be as much consistent as possible, then someone should get round to fixing it (create a new page perhaps?); if you vote for the "all links should be in AE" convention of course. --Brightone 08:30, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

In all cases, quest names and place names are spelled exactly as in the game. "Raid on Greyland" is how it is spelled in game (and the hamlet is always spelled "Greyland"). Both "grey" and "gray" are used at times in game ("The Grey Mare", "Grey-Throat" vs "Gray Fox", "Gray Cowl", "Gray Prince", "Ring of the Gray", "Grayrock Cave", etc.). This is just one of several cases where Bethesda spells words inconsistently. --Nephele 12:28, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

In my understanding, "grey"/"gray" is not a US/UK thing at all. Both spellings are accepted in pretty much every dictionary, American or British, that I've ever seen. As a quick reference, "grey" yields 163,000,000 results in Google, while "gray" yields 185,000,000. So while "gray" is somewhat more common, it's clear that both spellings are VERY widespread. --TheRealLurlock 16:47, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

I don't think this is too big of a deal. Of course, we should use whatever spelling (or case) that Oblivion uses, but otherwise, it really doesn't matter as long as the articles are consistent. We can also create redirects to help people out, for example, I created the redirect Oblivion:Armour. --Aristeo 15:45, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

It may not be. You're not the first 2 underestimate it, Aristeo, people on here do tend to use a lot of search to get quickly to something and quite often there comes out but nothing. it's not their fault this website is American, especially since the net has no explicit boundaries or limitations for internet users from all across the globe. Creating those redirects could actually make up for it a little though. --Brightone 16:22, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Actually the website is Canadian, but the fact remains that the GAME is American, and that's what really counts, I think. I seriously doubt there are too many people over there who can't find the "Armor" page because it's spelled without a 'u'. The redirects just seem unnecessary to me. --TheRealLurlock 16:47, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

I've just tried to type in light armour and got nothing :\ whats a redirect, btw? --Brightone 16:53, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Quest formatEdit

If you're planning on working on more quest pages, you may want to look at UESPWiki:Style Guide/Quest Layout to see the recommended layout for quest pages. Obviously, alot of the quests are not in that format right now, but eventually we would like to get them redone. If you could implement this layout when you're rewriting a page it would be very helpful. If you want to see examples of pages that use this layout, look at any of the Mages Guild quests. Thanks! --Nephele 14:35, 8 October 2006 (EDT)

I'll try to make a trial version of Tears oF the Savior according to that new(?) Style Guide scheme. although i'm going to have to rewrite a substantial part of it. That's a shame, I've rewritten it thoroughly already. Thanks for letting me know. --Brightone 12:13, 9 October 2006 (EDT)

Using the possessive formEdit

I've noticed that certain pages are widely incosistent in using the possessive. For instance, some pages have "Mage's Guild"(incorrect?), whilst others use "Mages' Guild" (the possessive) or "Mages Guild" (attr. adj). The correct use is "Mages' Guild" if we are talking about "The Guild of Mages". But, as this inconsistency is often encountered in the game, "Leyawiin Mages' Guild" as opposed to "Skingrad Mages Guild", both "Mages' Guild" and "Mages guild" are acceptable. However, I wouldn't recommend to use the possessive for "Mages Guild" because that way we would have to spell "Thieves' Guild" or "Fighters' Guild", or otherwise again face the issue of inconsistency. --Brightone 15:43, 9 October 2006 (EDT)

It does seem like we're up against game inconsistency again. It looks like "Mages Guild," "Thieves Guild," and "Fighters Guild" are the most frequently used forms. But I did find nine cases of "Fighter's Guild", and two of "Mages' Guild". Although gramatically the possessive seems to make more sense to me, I'd vote for sticking with the most common game spelling, and therefore using the non-possessive forms as a general rule. --Nephele 16:03, 9 October 2006 (EDT)

Apologies for my contribution to the inconsistency. I tend to use the possessive automatically and only change it back when I need to get a link to work. That said, I agree that the non-possessive form is a good general rule. And incorrect possessives such as "Fighter's Guild" will not be tolerated! :p --Actreal 17:09, 9 October 2006 (EDT)

Just to clarify on my comment: I was listing the spellings that are used in game, based on a search of the construction set. So "Mages' Guild" and "Fighter's Guild" are actually used a few times in the game, but in both cases they are less common than the non-possessive forms. --Nephele 20:43, 9 October 2006 (EDT)

My understanding of it is that it is the "Mages Guild". As in, guild of mages. Not guild belonging to mages. Nobody owns the guild. Like in real life, you might have the Stonecutters Guild, which is a guild that stonecutters would belong to, but not a guild owned by the stonecutters. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that the non-possessive form is what's used almost exclusively in the game, so that seems to be the most appropriate. I have made an effort to change this whenever I come across it. (But only if I'm changing something else on the page as well. I don't go out of my way or anything.) --TheRealLurlock 09:27, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

Reverting to previous page versionsEdit

If there was a page I wanted to revert back to its previous version, how would I go about it? --Brightone 11:48, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

From the page's history, click on the date of the version that you want to go back to. Click edit when the page comes up. You should see a bright pink box warning you that you are editing an out-of-date version of the page. Fill in the edit summary with the reason why you are reverting the page, and hit save. --Nephele 12:35, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Thanks, Nephele! I never new it was that simple! --Brightone 15:08, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

HelloEdit

Hello, Brightone. I am Dagoth. What is your character's name? Dagoth Ur, Mad God 20:25, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Love It!Edit

I just love your character, seems really interesting. I love redguard girl characters also, so much all of my characters in Morrowind and Oblivion have been redguards. I've never really used Mysticism, but Conjuration is my favorite skill along with Illusion (With a simple Frenzy spell and a couple of citizens, you've got an instant party, just add popcorn!). I just wanted to give you that compliment, have fun playing Oblivion!Jplatinum16 19:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)