Oblivion talk:Pilgrimage/Archive 1

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Advice

After installing the plugin, I found an unmarked, unnamed shrine SE of Breakneck Cave, just North of a line joining Fort Wooden Hand and Fanacasecul. It was there that I got the new topic of "Prophet". There are three people present; Stanet, Jesper and Avita Vesnia. I'm not sure if the shrine is definitely part of the patch so I'm not going to put it straight onto the page. I'm not even sure this is where it should go! Can anybody confirm and advise? — Unsigned comment by Rpeh (talk • contribs) on 7 December 2006

Well, considering that the NPCs don't have articles on the UESP, they're almost definitely new, so I would assume that the shrine is new as well. --Ratwar 16:52, 7 December 2006 (EST)

Sounds to me like you found the Shrine of Kynareth, which has already been added to various plugin pages (although minimally); you can check its location on the oblivion map to be sure. Also, I'm guessing one of the NPCs you mention is actually Avita Vesnia. It never gets a map marker, but you are pointed to go there later during the Knights of the Nine quests. I'd say it doesn't really belong on the Pilgrimage page; it sounds like it's just a random way that you can happen to find out about the quest, but it's not the shrine's primary purpose (nor the easiest way to find out about this quest). IMHO. --Nephele 16:56, 7 December 2006 (EST)

A little confuzzled

So I've done the pilgrim thingy of going to all the nine Wayshrines marked out on the map and went to a chapel and prayed at all of the... what it now is called.. Anyways I followed the walkthrough here and it tells me to go to a Wayshrine again? So I thought to myself "Okay...?" and I went to the wayshrine of Akatosh. Nothing happened. I went to sleep. Nothing happened. What do I do now?

I also have about 5 in fame.. Does that affect it?

--[[User:Jojje|Jojje | [[User_talk:Jojje|Talk]]]] 15:51, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Fame doesn't matter at all for this quest, just infamy. If you have collected any infamy, you have to visit all nine wayshrines again after the last time you gained an infamy point. Also, have you visited the prophet and gotten the pilgrimage quest to appear in your journal? --Nephele 23:46, 9 January 2007 (EST)

No, I don't have any infamy points. Just fame. Yes, the quest is in my journal, and I've met Sir Roderic, but not Lathon.

--[[User:Jojje|Jojje's page | [[User_talk:Jojje|Talk]]]] 00:23, 10 January 2007 (EST)

It sounds like you must have missed a wayshrine for at least one of the nine divines. All wayshrines that you visited since receiving the pilgrimage quest will be recorded in your journal with quest updates (e.g., "I have prayed at the Wayshrine of Akatosh"). Check which of the nine is missing and visit a wayshrine for that divine. --Nephele 00:45, 10 January 2007 (EST)

That's wierd... Nothing showed up for me when I prayed at the wayshrines... Just the original "Pray at my chapel altars to recieve my blessing" things.

--[[User:Jojje|Jojje]] 01:06, 10 January 2007 (EST)

At the moment you activate the wayshrine you should get the standard "Pray at my chapel altars" message. If you're at least at stage 10 with the pilgrimage quest, you should then shortly afterwards get a quest update. Maybe you haven't spent enough time talking to the prophet... you have to go through a few dialogues with him, enough to get the quest update "I've spoken to a mysterious Prophet, who told me that in order to seek the Relics of the Crusader, I must first do a pilgrimage to the Wayshrines of the Divines...." --Nephele 01:42, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Maybe I can help: What is the name of the quest in your journal? --GuildKnight 08:59, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Maybe this can be helpful: I was noticing a similar problem, in the sense that no message such as "I've prayed at the xxx altar" was popping up after praying at wayshrines. By doing a quick research I found out that this could be due to conflicting mods, so I used Oblivion Mod Manager to modify load order and have Knights mod loaded last. This fixed the problem. — Unsigned comment by 87.8.161.123 (talk) on 31 January 2007

Is there a way to start this quest on the xbox 360?

I'm just wondering thats all.--ShakenMike 18:56, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Yes, but you have to be connected to XBOXLive to download the downloadable content --GuildKnight 00:18, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Cool thanks and I'll get lots of microsoft points then.--ShakenMike 01:23, 25 February 2007 (EST)

u can buy it at a store with the shivering isles. cheaper and a better deal 74.205.198.174 21:54, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Shrine of Mara

The Oblivion Gates destroyed it and I cant finish the quest. What shoud I do? — Unsigned comment by 83.131.31.187 (talk) on 15 May 2007

There are three different wayshrines to Mara, and only one of them has any chance of being destroyed by an Oblivion Gate. So just go visit one of the other two wayshrines. They're all listed at Wayshrines. --Nephele^Talk 11:58, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Even if the shrine has been destroyed, you should still find the activatable part of it stuck into the ground somewhere nearby. The shrines still work, even when a gate has spawned in them. ThebigMuh 19:23, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Actually, the wayshrine to Mara north of Anvil is completely destroyed when the Oblivion Gate opens on top of it. It's only the wayshrine to Kynareth near Skingrad that can still be activated even after the gate has apparently destroyed it. --Nephele^Talk 20:33, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Help

I've already beaten the knights of the nine quests but my infamy went up and now i can't use the armor. I already threw away my map. I believe i have revisited all the shrines but my infamy didn't go back down. Is their any way to get another map or can someone help me? — Unsigned comment by 65.60.192.253 (talk) on 15 May 2007

The map can be found here, but it shouldn't matter which wayshrines you visit, as long as it's one of each divine. ThebigMuh 19:22, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Different poster than above, I was wondering if you can visit each wayshrine to reduce your infamy to zero without having the KotN expansion. Also, say you could, if your infamy went back up, could you do it again? SubtleCynicism 20:08, 26 July 2007

Without KotN, visiting all of the Wayshrines has no effect on your infamy, it just gives you the greater power Pilgrim's Grace. See the Wayshrines page for full information. --Nephele^Talk 23:28, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Infamy and Dispositions

I have not purchased the KotN plugin yet, so I am unable to fix this myself. I noticed that in the Notes section of the article, it is stated that the Infamy rating will affect NPC disposition even after it has been reset to 0. Could anyone be more specific on this? Personally, I am unsure of what this means exactly. Does it intend to say that NPC dispositions will remain the same (as in it will not rise) after the Pilgrimage is completed? It almost seems like it is saying that the disposition penalty will continue to be active, even after Infamy is reset to 0 (almost like a permanent "nobody will like you" effect). Is this correct? — Unsigned comment by SubtleCynicism (talk • contribs) on 12 August 2007

I believe it means that even after completing the pilgrimage, characters with a previously high infamy may still receive disposition penalties, and responses like 'keep your hands to yourself, you murdering bastard' or 'I've seen your kind before. You've got blood on your hands' --Saruuk 02:25, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Actually, it would be interesting at some point to document what exactly characters with previously high infamy experience after the Pilgrimage. My suspicion is that most of what occurs is based upon criteria other than infamy. For example, the two responses mentioned by Saruuk are both ones that you will hear if you have murdered people. Even though the infamy associated with the murder has been erased from your records, your character statistics will still include all of the murders. Also, there are negative disposition modifiers with many characters that are caused by being a member of the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild. These modifiers are all multiplied by your rank in the guilds. So if you are speaker of the Dark Brotherhood and Gray Fox, then there are NPCs that will dislike you even if your infamy is 0.

In other words, my guess is that when your infamy is set to zero, all penalties caused directly by infamy are erased. However, other related statistics such as membership in "evil" guilds and numbers of various crimes are not altered. Therefore, any penalties caused by other aspects of your character's previous life of crime will still remain in place. --Nephele^Talk 03:07, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Ah, well that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the clarification, Nephele. — Unsigned comment by SubtleCynicism (talk • contribs) on 12 August 2007

Pilgrim's Grace

I traveled to the shrines to start the Knights of Nine and had completed the entire quest and still did not get blessed with Pilgrim's Grace. I earned a single point of Infamy and wanted to clear it out, so I traveled to the Wayshrines again to clear it out, still no Pilgrim's Grace. It was not granted until I traveled to the specific ones on the Wayshrine Map. Is this the way it is supposed to be? I figured it might have had something to do with the Map, but since I was allowed to start and finish the quest, I just thought that it was just some bug and I missed out on some description somewhere. Could there be some reference created to mention (after verification if necessary) that only the wayshrines on the map count towards being granted Pilgrim's Grace.71.161.61.113 22:19, 21 August 2007 (EDT)DVSDavis

There's definitely nothing about specific wayshrines that you need to visit in order to receive Pilgrim's Grace. I've done it a couple times with different characters, and I never visited the specific wayshrines on the map. Also, the scripts on all the wayshrines are identical; there is nothing that differentiates one Wayshrine to Zenithar from another as far as the game scripts are concerned.

I think the only problem is that you need to have 0 infamy when you complete the pilgrimage in order to receive Pilgrim's Grace (at least once KotN is installed). If you have any infamy when you finish the pilgrimage, then it skips over the greater power and instead sets your infamy to 0 . It also resets the record of which wayshrines you have visited. You then need to visit one of each wayshrine all over again in order to get the greater power (and not get any new infamy in the meantime!) --Nephele^Talk 23:32, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

Ahh, that makes sense. After my second trip around the shrines with no Grace, I just went straight into the third trip around the long way following the in-game wayshrine map (took a bit longer, but with 0 Infamy) BINGO! Thanks Nephele 71.161.61.113 00:51, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

Gray Cowl

Has anybody done this quest while wearing the Gray Cowl of Nocturnal? If so, does it take away the Cowl's inherent infamy? IWon'tFightUndead 22:57, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

You can't do the pilgrimage while wearing the cowl: see Gray Cowl of Nocturnal and Wayshrines. --Nephele^Talk 23:22, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

Vision

My KoTN won't load the part after you get the spotlight on you and that guy says something about his relics. :( — Unsigned comment by 67.81.25.133 (talk) on 1 November 2007

PLEASE HELP

Ive visited all of the shrines i havnt met sir roderik and havnt recieved a vision, although i have noticed when i visit the shrine or arkay it says its the shrine of zenithar and the shrine of zenithar also says its the shrine of zenithar i really dont understand please help me — Unsigned comment by 82.15.245.30 (talk) on 15 November 2007

I don't know if it's too late to help, but this happened to me the first time too. It was confusing. But what I did by chance was after visiting the real shrine of Zenithar, I went back to the Shrine of Arkay and this time it properly showed that it was Arkay and not Zenithar, and I was able to progress. — Unsigned comment by 12.172.41.13 (talk) on 6 March 2008

okay same thing happened to me with shrine of arkay and zenithar but itwas with athe shrine of mara when i went back to mara it still said zenithar any help? — Unsigned comment by 71.194.114.128 (talk) on 7 August 2008

Stuck

Having a huge problem with this quest, so far ive prayed at all the shrines,but didnt get any "I have prayed at the Wayshrine of xxx" in my journal,i went to the churtch tho and got the Pimgrils grace and got the rank of "pilgrim" with the nine divines, but my infame is still the same and the quest is still on "ive spoken to a strange prophet". ive repeatedly visited the shrines over and over again and every now and then i meet sir Roderick and lathon by different shrines.Help!?:S — Unsigned comment by 80.213.32.43 (talk) on 23 November 2007

Vision Crash on Horseback

A little detail would be useful here: does the crash happen on all versions? All patch levels? --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:17, 11 December 2007 (EST)

The game doesn't crash. It waits for you to get down from the horse. If you never get down from the horse, you will not get the vision at all. --Mankar Camoran^{•T•C•E•} 12:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it infamy!

"although your infamy may go to zero, the people's and guards' dipositions will still be affected by the infamy". Err... really? That needs some research. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:26, 11 December 2007 (EST)

I can tell you something about what happened to me. Before I got my 1st infamy, everybody's disposition was 100 (I had finished the MQ and had a lot of fame). After about 30 infamy, the guards' disp. became 44. But everyone else's disp. was still 100. At that point I finished the pilgrimage. Although my infamy was set to 0, the guards' disp. only increased to around 64. It never became 100 again. Now you can draw your own conclusion from that! --Mankar Camoran^{•T•C•E•} 14:00, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Okay, Timenn and I have just looked at this in the Construction Set. The only count of infamy is reset to 0 when you do the quest. However, there is another flag, IsPCAMurderer that is not reset. That flag is used to trigger at least one piece of guard dialogue ("You. I've seen your kind before. You've got blood on your hands. Keep your blade sheathed, you murdering bastard, or I'll put you down myself.") and it's conceivable that the flag affects your disposition with guards too. So it's not the actual infamy that causes the disposition drop, but something deeper within the game. I'm going to update the article accordingly. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 14:31, 11 December 2007 (EST)

See also the previous discussion on this page at #Infamy and Dispositions. --Nephele^Talk 14:52, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Shrines previously visited taken into account or bug?

Just a little curious on this. I got the vision from Pelinal and advanced the quest after visiting only 8 of the wayshrines. Specifically, I never visited a wayshrine of Stendarr. Does the quest take into account wayshrines you already visited before starting the question, or do you think this is a bug? — Unsigned comment by 68.80.137.149 (talk) on 31 March 2008

As the article already states: "If your character has never gained any infamy and has previously visited any of the wayshrines, those wayshrines do not need to be revisited." So no, it's not a bug. — Unsigned comment by Rpeh (talk • contribs) on 31 March 2008

Ack, I missed that, thanks. I presumed if it took into account previously visited shrines you would get journal entries for them right away, as with some other quests when you complete steps beforehand, but I guess that's not the case. — Unsigned comment by 68.80.137.149 (talk) on 31 March 2008

Stuck in Layman rank

I have this problem with the Nine Divines faction. Instead of getting the Pilgrim rank I received the Layman rank which is in the original game without KotN. So I dont have the pilgrim rank icon just blank space there. Can this be changed somehow? Thank you for the help. -Tiberius — Unsigned comment by Tiberius (talk • contribs) on 4 April 2008

It sounds like the mod isn't loading properly. Are you on the PC or a console? –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 12:03, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Im on PC. I have finished the whole KotN quest but noticed this bug just yesterday. -Tiberius — Unsigned comment by 147.229.212.153 (talk) on 4 April 2008

You might try something like the Oblivion Mod Manager to change the load order of your plugins. I seem to recall that KotN works best when it loads last. If you haven't already done so, you should also install the Unofficial Oblivion Patch and its two companions. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:33, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

I installed the Unofficial Official Mods Patch and it fixed the bug. Thank you very much for the help. -Tiberius — Unsigned comment by 147.229.212.153 (talk) on 5 April 2008

KotN on PS3

does the PS3 version of oblivion already have KotN patched into it? because ive started it and about to do the wayshrines but the 360 nd pc say u have to download it...is that the same with the ps3? — Unsigned comment by 78.148.122.36 (talk) on 18 April 2008

The Oblivion PS3 version comes with the Knights of the Nine expansion on the original disk. — Unsigned comment by 12.206.86.55 (talk) on 17 May 2008

Fame point

When I finished this quest I received one fame point. Is this a part of the Knights of the Nine game or not? 71.160.164.152 00:20, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Taken straight from the article:

This quest only becomes available once you have installed the Knights of the Nine official mod

--Timenn < talk > 06:44, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your response but I think that you didn't understand my question. In the rewards section of the article on this quest, there is no reward of one fame point mentioned and yet I still received one fame point. Should this article be updated? 71.160.164.152 12:17, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

We're on it - slowly. If you look at our Task List you'll see that KotN fame points are on the list and will be done soon. Hopefully. If you want to help, please feel free. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:18, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Okay, I'll try to help where ever possible. Thanks for your response. 71.160.164.152 14:36, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

No Vision

i went and got all the wayshrines on the map the prohpet gave me and then it says u got all the wayshrines heres ur greater power and ur infamy is cleared blah blah blah, but i never got the vision.

i redid the wayshrines and then got a quest log saying i should go talk to a mysterious prophet ( which i already did hence the wayshrines map) and now im going crazy trying to figure out why i cant get my vision. — Unsigned comment by 68.221.33.38 (talk) on 29 May 2008

You need to read your quest updates more thoroughly: "pray and wait for a vision". Also, your shift key seems to be broken. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:43, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Can not seem to redo pilgrimage quest!!

(Moved from Daveh's page.)

I was wondering if you could be of help. I have started the quest to retrieve the crusader relics, and have all of them except for the mace. When I try to equip the boots so that I can get it, it tells me to walk the pilgrims way to repent and so on. I have already completed the pilgrimage quest, and can not seem to redo it to reset my infamy to 0. When I pray at any of the wayshrines, it gives me the message to "continue your penance to receive the god's belssing" or something very close to that. I have gone through all 9 wayshrines more than once, and nothing seems to be happening. I have read that it says to redo the pilgrimage, but nothing seems to happen. I have the GOTY edition playing on a PS3. 74.70.228.151 14:23, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

• • Hurray! I have the answer and it's so simple, boy, will you feel stupid. I know I did! This happened to both my husband and my characters and no matter how many times we went around the shrines we couldn't get rid of our infamy. There are TWO wayshrines west of Skingrad. One is for Talos and the other for Mara. If you're following along with the map the prophet provided you then you want the Mara shrine which is east of Meridia's shrine. Talos is southwest of Meridia's shrine. Arctic Frost 20:37, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Is he a Mute?

every time i finish praying, i get the spotlight and the "Hail, knight!" thing, but then when the vision occurs he gets out one or 2 words and the voice cuts out. then at the start of the next paragraph, 2 words, voice cuts out.75.92.5.255 23:35, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

Nah, it's just an error. If you notice, that will probobly happen often when an NPC is talking, but not directly in conversation with you - like when two NPCs are talking to eachother, or like this. It's just an audio error or something, and I dunno how to fix it. But it's REALLY annoying, right? Just turn the general subtitles on, and you can read what he's saying, though. That's about the best I can offer ya. — Unsigned comment by 69.205.62.182 (talk) on 5 August 2008

Akatosh/Arkay Confusion

I've moved this comment here from the main article:

Please note that the names of the gods that correspond with the wayshrines' locations are inaccurate, so if you pray at a Wayshrine of Akatosh that is not marked on the map, and then pray at the one south of Bruma (which is supposed to be for Arkay, but is actually for Akatosh), you will not get credit for the second one.

I really can't figure out what it is trying to say. All of the Arkay and Akatosh wayshrines have the correct names and correct scripts. The wayshrine south of Bruma is a Wayshrine to Akatosh (that's what it says on the pilgrim's map, that's what it says in game, that's what it says on the Oblivion Map, so of course it counts as a Wayshrine to Akatosh. What says that it is "supposed to be for Arkay?" What exactly is supposedly inaccurate about the Wayshrines? --Nephele^Talk 20:02, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Wayshrines Guide

Am I going slightly loopy, or did there used to be a guide/route/map on this very page which was actually better and more efficient than the one on the Prophet's map? — Unsigned comment by 87.127.79.8 (talk) on 1 July 2008

Well that's the image that has always been on the page, but there's also this or you can search for "Wayshrine" on our (map). –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:13, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Ah, that map is much better. Thanks. — Unsigned comment by 87.127.79.8 (talk) on 1 July 2008

easier way to find the shrines?

i found that as soon as oblivion gates start opening theres always one within veiw of a shrine. this made it much easier to find the shrines. i found the nearest gate in the rough area where i thought the shrines were and explored near it inevitably i found one every time and i could always see an oblivion gate. has this happened to anyone else? or is it totally random? — Unsigned comment by 90.240.151.64 (talk) on 12 July 2008

Doing Pilgramage again

i have a question. i want to do the thieves guild questline but im wearing the Crusader's Relics, i don't want to lose them, and ive already done pilgramage. can i do pilgramage AGAIN and lose the infamy i gained thru the Thieve's Guild? and will the guards hate me? Goldbrand43 22:03, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Just complete the Pilgrimage again and your infamy will be reset to 0. From this main article: "The pilgrimage may be completed at any time, even outside this questline, to reduce your Infamy points to zero. It does not remove other aspects of a criminal past, however; guards will still recognize you as a murderer and may greet you accordingly." But you'll probably need to just leave the relics in "storage" somewhere until you're done with the Thieves Guild, unless you wanna do the Pilgrimage after each infamy point gained. --GuildKnight^Talk2me 22:27, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Thank You Thank You Thank You!!!

This site has been one of the most helpful links i've ever seen! Thank you thank you for all your hard work. Without it i would not have been able to do so many things. You guys rock! — Unsigned comment by 24.16.71.167 (talk) on 20 November 2008

disposition not affected

I am confused. My Infamy is around 175. So, if I do the Pilgrammage, from what I've read, will guards still hate me and say stuff like "Just stop talking", when I stop talking to them? --Oblivion nerd 20:31, 10 December 2008 (EST)

The article says, "The pilgrimage ... reduce[s] your Infamy points to zero. It does not remove other aspects of a criminal past, however; guards will still recognize you as a murderer and may greet you accordingly." So, they won't try to arrest you or attack you, but they won't talk sweet to you, either. Anyone know the specifics of why? --GuildKnight^Talk2me 21:21, 10 December 2008 (EST)

See the previous discussion here: #Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it infamy! and indeed the one referenced there. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:16, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Pilgrims armor + weapons

if i get the armor and stuff at a low level will it get better as i get better?? — Unsigned comment by 60.241.203.118 (talk) on 22 December 2008

If you mean the Crusader's Relics, then yes. Once you put them on the stand and take them off they will be upgraded to your current level. See this page for more information. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 04:16, 22 December 2008 (EST)

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