Skyrim talk:At the Summit of Apocrypha

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Absorving the dragon's souls instead of miraakEdit

so, after i ride the dragon to miraak, and i defeat him for the first time, he calls a dragon and kills it, and i know that he should absorve its soul, but instead, i do

i tried staying away from them, since i read that the dragonborn thats closest to the dragon gets the soul

i tried the command "resethealth", but miraak should heal like 4 times, and i do it more than 10 times and it still doesnt work

i thought it migth be because i first downloaded the dragonborn dlc and then the update 11, and as such i tried removing the dlc files and download them again, and it still doesnt work

please, help me — Unsigned comment by 109.50.105.80 (talk) at 02:17 on 2 September 2013

sorry, fixed it :P

if you are having the same problem, check your version

if its the 1.8, it should be fixed if you update it to the 1.9 (update 12, i think)

u will know if it worked, if in several ocasions throughout the dragonborn questline, when u kill a dragon, instead of getting its soul, miraak appears and steals it (like the mission when ur with the telvani wizard and get the black book from the dwemer city, after you leave the city a dragon appears)

hopefully it'll help some ppl out there — Unsigned comment by 109.50.104.149 (talk) at 12:48 on 10 September 2013 (GMT)

Disable USP 1.3!Edit

Disabling the patch makes the quest run on the PC. — Unsigned comment by 84.168.204.83 (talk) at 08:02 on 10 September 2013 (GMT)

Rather than disabling the Unofficial Skyrim Patch, you might want to just download the Unofficial Dragonborn Patch from the same people. You shouldn't have this issue in that case. — ABCface^◥ 02:43, 11 September 2013 (GMT)

False BugEdit

"If you get to chapter VI without obtaining any dragon souls to unlock your shout, the dragon whom you can ride will not come, and you will be stuck at the start of chapter VI. ?"

You can read the book again to leave the place, obtain a dragon soul and come back and the dragon will appear. I know this because that's what I did. — Unsigned comment by 178.3.62.200 (talk) at 20:27 on 10 September 2013 (GMT)

But I did the same and the dragon never appeared. So I had to use 'tlc' and fly myself up to the summit !

Though if I recall correctly, I think it broke my save and I had to reload from a previous save where I haven't reached the last chapter before unlocking the shout. --Marshal313 (talk) 06:41, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

A fix for permanent ethereal MiraakEdit

I've seen a LOT of people across the web complaining that none of the fixes work to try and get Miraak out of ethereal state. The issue comes form the dragon not fully healing him, despite the fact that he is only scripted to attempt to heal at a certain health. Unless you literally do 1 point of damage every hit he will not fully heal. Using the command (restoreactorvalue health n) where n was a number like 300 to get him up to full he resumed the battle as usual, even after being stuck as an ethereal glitch. I really think that needs to be mentioned in the bug fixes section.

It should be mentioned that I encountered this glitch every time he absorbed a dragon soul, and it worked in succession flawlessly. Obviously this is unavailable to console users, though. Theomniadept (talk) 19:51, 16 September 2013 (GMT)

The bug is not quite that drastic. I was able to continue the battle even though Miraak's health bar was not quite fully refilled by sacrificing the dragon, though it was over 90% filled. I only experienced this bug if his health was refilled to around 80% or less, and using the console command resurrect worked just fine to fix it. A sure fire way to prevent the bug, in my experience, was to switch to a lower-damage weapon during battle. Just to be sure, I used only shield-bashes when he was below 50% health. I also killed Sahrotaar while Miraak was yakking at me, though I had to hit the dragon one more time after the battle commenced to kill him even though I had completely drained its health bar during the conversation. --Xyzzy ^Talk 07:05, 28 September 2013 (GMT)

I just defeated Miraak after probably my 20th try. After searching the internet the solutions everything I tried didn't work. I tried defeated the dragons first, I even punched the crap out of Miraak to get his health down "slowly". I'm on patch 1.9, Master mode btw. What DID work was when he is in the ethereal state, you have to HIDE until he cannot see you anymore. Then after a few seconds of being hidden, he will pop out of ethereal and walk around until he sees you again then you can re engage him (Remember how your health regens way faster out of battle? Same thing for Miraak) Feel free to wipe out the dragons first. *ctest — Unsigned comment by ‎ 173.180.12.52 (talk) at 23:54 on 9 January 2014

I tried this, but it didn't work at first. Everything was going fine until he sucked the life from the second dragon. His health didn't fully recover, so he became stuck in his ethereal state, and he stayed ethereal even after I became hidden. What finally kicked him out of his ethereal state was me killing the last dragon. He went through his soul-absorbing sequence and regained his health, then immediately saw me and started attacking. I was then able to complete the quest as usual. Maybe the hiding trick works by itself if you kill the dragons ahead of time. --Xyzzy ^Talk 04:25, 10 January 2014 (GMT)

I had the Miraak going to ethereal loop problem. Nothing worked (even CCs and sneak technique) except killing all three dragons before I started on Miraak. I used lightning storm on all of them and was pleasantly surprised to see the Hermaeus Mora sequence start. Good luck. (note: I had all USP and OSP installed, they were up to date) November 2014 — Unsigned comment by 75.118.11.187 (talk) at 05:29 on 17 November 2014 (GMT)

(←) I experienced this many times on ps3 despite reloading a file from before the battle started or going easy on Miraak. I finally solved the problem by saving when all the dragons are dead and Miraak is stuck. Then I quit the game, restarted and loaded that file, and after a minute Miraak made a comment and attacked. After I defeated him I loaded the file again and he attacked immediately. --Player1.0 (talk) 16:54, 16 February 2015 (GMT)

I nearly gave up on the game. I just got the DB patch after being away from Skyrim for a long time and this bug nearly had me leaving the game. None of these fine suggestions were working for me. Nothing listed here, and none that are listed under Miraak's entry. What did work was when I check the load order for the Unofficial patches. It seems that when I installed the Unofficial DB patch, Steam put it above the Skyrim patch. A change in the load order so that the Skyrim patch comes first fixed the entire thing. 98.119.116.9 09:17, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Dragon soul bug - moved from articleEdit

This quest REQUIRES that absorption of dragon souls is working. There are many possible sources for this to fail, including many mods that affect dragon souls. One possible source is apparently even the Unofficial Skyrim Patch; the fix is to use the Unofficial Dragonborn Patch, and have it AFTER the Unofficial Skyrim Patch in the load order. Simply changing this load order fixed it for me.

I'm moving this here because based on my experience, is not accurate. The only mods I have installed are the Unofficial patches, and I have them loading in the recommended order (Skyrim, Dawnguard, Hearthfires, Dragonborn) and still experienced this bug. Plus, it is not really describing a specific bug, and contains FPPOV. --Xyzzy ^Talk 06:09, 20 October 2013 (GMT)

One more data point - disabling the Unofficial Dragonborn patch didn't fix the bug for me, but disabling both that and the Unofficial Skyrim patch did allow Miraak to absorb dragon souls, for me. --99.117.49.63 01:40, 19 January 2015 (GMT)

So loading the order of the unofficial patches had no impact on the bug for you? —MortenOSlash (talk) 05:47, 19 January 2015 (GMT)

Nope, tried that. Latest versions of the patches, too, fwiw. Total guess, but I wonder if the USP's tweak to make souls more absorb-able had this effect - didn't test only disabling USP, though. --99.117.49.63 08:16, 22 January 2015 (GMT)

It didn't. The soul absorbing issue is only present (now) if people are still using the USKP+UDBP and the UDBP is loaded in the wrong order. Updating to USLEEP will definitively fix this forever since it can only be loaded one way. This was an issue corrected in 2013 btw, and only ever manifests with bad load order OR another mod that edits the dragonactorscript file. Arthmoor (talk) 22:59, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

You are all wrong. I dont use ANY mods except community club official content. And Miraak dont absorb ANY souls

Pushing Sahrotaar aside / Not able to mount Sahrotaar fixEdit

Apparently mods that affect Dragons HP seem to cause these two bugs.Uninstall any mod that affects a Dragons HP and it should be fixed. — Unsigned comment by Exidrial (talk • contribs) at 09:35 on 21 September 2014 (GMT)

# of Souls RewardedEdit

The minimum number of souls possible actually seems to be 9 as I just finished the quest and did not slay any dragons once begining the Dragonborn DLC. I'll have a look at the CK if anyone thinks this is in error and will be changing the main page with this information once I have confirmation from at least one other source.Vainamoinen -Talk -Stuff 05:56, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Lost Knowledge won't startEdit

Neloth gives a "I haven't located any more" reply after completion of the questline despite I've found none of the additional books. The quest ones also cannot be dropped. What may cause this? --178.252.126.70 05:47, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

What platform and version of Skyrim are you playing on? Vainamoinen -Talk -Stuff 06:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

PC, with unofficial patches. --178.252.126.70 23:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Black Books can never be dropped, that's working as intended. —Legoless (talk) 22:04, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

But I remember from my past walkthrough that it was possible to store them on a bookshelf. I definitely didn't have any mods to force it. --178.252.126.70 12:15, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Possible bug, Has anyone else faced this ?Edit

I use "Miraak Follower" mod, And I have read one chapter of "Waking Dreams" at the temple of Miraak when I found it. So, After I completed the quest "At the Summit of Apocrypha", The people of skaal never talked to me like I have never completed the quest.

• I tried ...
  • Killing Miraak instead of making him my Follower. It doesn't work.
  • Removing "Miraak Follower" mod and trying the quest again (From the summit, at stage of 400), But it doesn't work. The people of skaal don't talk.

In above situations, Miraak sticks hanged to Mora's tentacles after I killed him and nothing happens, Forcing me to use 'setstage 580' to end the quest.

So, if this has ever happened to anybody else, Post it here please. --Marshal313 (talk) 06:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

This is not the place to discuss bugs caused by mods. While a similar bug occurs without mods, there is a working solution for those players. Removing the mod is not enough to properly test this, as your save is already affected. You must use a save from before you installed that mod to prevent it adversely affecting your game. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 17:24, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

"setstage dlc2mq05 1100" helped me, with or without the mod. — Unsigned comment by 92.61.69.93 (talk) at 06:00 on 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Supposedly dead dragons respawnedEdit

This seems to be a one-off issue, but I thought I'd post here in case others experience this. A long time after I completed this quest, I read Waking Dreams to go back, and discovered that the two sacrificial dragons, Kruziikrel and Relonikiv, had respawned and were circling high in the sky above and flagged as aggressive. This made it impossible to use the symbols or read the book to return to Skyrim because I was seen as being in combat. The dragons never approached, though I could use Bend Will to make one, if I wanted to go that route to solve the issue. Instead, my ultimate solution was to use the console and simply disable them. Has anyone else experienced this? – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 01:05, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Black BooksEdit

Is there something to do after defeating Miraak and leaving Apocrypha? If I try to take out the Black Books it still says it's a quest item and I can't remove it. Maybe I missed what to do after leaving Apocrypha... Help! — Unsigned comment by 76.183.115.84 (talk) at 02:37 on 17 June 2019

After defeating Miraak you go and play the rest of the game. The books remain as quest items because you may want to change the perks received at the end of each one. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Miraak Etherial Bug - What Worked For MeEdit

PC player. Knew I was going to get the bug, I usually do. Best guess at what causes it: He's not returning to full health for some reason, the script keeps him etherial if he's not at full health (he can heal up to full if you hide, he loses track of you and his non-combat regen kicks in to heal him the rest of the way). Fire damage, poison, bleeding damage, ANYTHING that keeps him from returning to 100%. All of which I prefer using, usually on the same weapon. If I don't use it, he comes back to full each time he absorbs a soul, no bug. Workable, but not my preferred solution.

My solution: Lots of defense, good health regen items, I can basically stand there and take what Miraak dishes out on difficulty level of adept or below. Ignored Miraak's little speech at the beginning, walked up and shield-bashed the twit to get him hostile. Ignored his angrily beating on me, greased Sahrotar. Used Bend Will shout on the other dragons one at a time to get them to land, greased each one, still ignoring Miraak. No souls to absorb, no etherial bug. Then emptied my hands and facepunched him over and over again until he died (well, Herma-Mora did the deed, but hey). The facepunching took awhile, but it was ENORMOUSLY satisfying.

NOTE: The ending scene of him being lifted into the air and fatally tentacled by Herma-Mora is set to happen after a few minutes have passed on the game-clock, not realtime. If you have altered game speed (like setting it to 1:1 realtime), the wait feels like an eternity, so set gamespeed back to the original of 20:1 if you have altered it and the cutscene will play out after a short wait.174.28.48.205 03:15, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the specifics myself, but you're on the right track about him not being restored to full health. The unofficial patch supposedly fixes this, but Arthmoor may not have accounted for continuous HP-drain effects. If you're using the patch and still getting the bug, you might want to report it to him. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 19:43, 21 August 2019 (UTC)