Skyrim talk:Books

Starting Book SectionEdit

How about we start out the normal book section with Crassius Curio's newest work, The Lusty Argonian Maid, volume 2? I found evidence of it along with a transcript on Youtube, and since I don't know how to format it all correctly, I figure it would be a better idea to link to it so it can be set down properly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-K5GeGqSU The transcript is in the video description. --161.253.51.49 02:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

User:RoBoT will be doing all the books in a few minutes. rpeh •T•C•E• 03:27, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Misspellings (and Doubles)Edit

I wanted to ask whether the names of some books like Skyrim:Antecedants of Dwemer Law were taken directly from the game or has there been some spelling error? Since in the other games it was the AntecedEnts, so it can't successfully link to its Lore page. And what about the different format of book names, such as with the Argonian Account? How will that matter be addressed?

Also the following books have double (some even triple) entries (including identical IDs):

• Anonymous Letter
• Butcher's Journal
• Fisherman's Journal
• Fragment: On Artaeum
• Incriminating Letter
• Master Illusion Text
• Power of the Elements
• The Totem of Hiricine

There is also double posting of (The) Last King of the Ayleids, but with differing IDs. Again, I'm not sure if all of this was intentional or not :P -- kertaw48 14:07, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, there are a lot of annoying little issues. I may be able to explain a couple. Actually, every version of "Antecedents of Dwemer Law" has had that same misspelling; it is only our lore page title that spells it correctly. Not sure why we set it up like that. I guess we were expecting Bethesda to fix it, but they haven't yet. I took care of that book, by the way; everything should link properly now. "The Last King of the Ayleids" is one of the books you're sent to fetch in a Winterhold College quest; the specific book you're sent after likely has a different ID than a typical book.

The big problem we're facing is books in a series that have unchanged text, identical to our lore version. My standard operating procedure in those situations is to transclude so I don't have to make a bunch of links. However, the formatting in these situations is all haywire, as there are complicated templates at work that need to be revised to accommodate the Skyrim versions. I, obviously, have little or no idea how to do that. Also, we need to decide whether we're gonna have a main page for each book series in the Skyrim namespace. Minor Edits 23:54, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Books Not ListedEdit

There are obviously more than just one missing books. Could someone go through the list again? -- kertaw48 20:30, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

2920, Second Seed, v5Edit

2920, Second Seed, v5

• Weight: 1
• Value: 60
• Raises Speech level.
• Found north of Broken Fang Cave in an unmarked ruin with a Shrine of Zenithar inside.

Twin SecretsEdit

Twin Secrets by Brarilu Theran

• Weight: 1
• Value: 50
• Raises Enchanting level.
• Found north-east from Broken Fang Cave in an unmarked altar-like structure.

These secrets I lay down, knowing full well that none may ever take advantage of them. I am upon my death bed, and am loathe to see knowledge of any sort lost to the mists of time. Take these as foolish reminiscences of an old man, or the insights of a master enchanter. I care not which.

It is well known that enchanting is limited where it once was not. The best enchanters of this age can imbue almost any spells into the metal and leather of armor and weapons. However, once enchanted, such an item will not enchant again. It is called the Law of the Firsts. The first enchantment is the only one that takes.

In my life, I've traveled widely. I've seen SUmmerset Isle, communed with the Psijiics, walked the shored of Akavir. I had hoped to see lost Atmora before I passed, that is not to be. I have even done the unthinkable. I have spoken to a dragon.

Dragon are said to be gone from the world. Yet I found one. Sheltered in the smoking ruins of Vvardenfell, I came upon it. My magic proved to be sufficient to defeat the beast. If that gives you cause to wonder, I will not deny that I was once a pyromancer of great skill.

Exhausted and near the end of my spells, I parlayed with the wyrm, offering it life if it would share it's secrets. Haughty to the ed, it agreed to one secret for one life. I asked for it's name, but it told me it would rather die than surrender that. Instead it offered me something else. And that it how I learned how to defy the Law of Firsts.

The law itself is inviolate. However, the skillful enchanter can weave two enchantments simultaneously into an item. For men and elves, the limit is two. The dragon said that men and elves have two arms, two legs, two eyes and two ears. I asked why that mattered, and the beast just laughed.

The enchanter must weave one enchantment with the left hand while weaving the other with the right. The eyes must focus on one and only one enchantment, while the ears only pay attention to the other. When I asked about my legs, the beast laughed again.

I spent two years mastering the technique. Just last month I made a sword with both fire and fear enchantments. Now I am too weak to make another. I go to my death victorious, for I have done what no other enchanter in modern times has done.

elder scroll has 2 idsEdit

I have found that the elder scroll has 2 ids.

"00048782" which is "DA04elderscrollfurled"

"002D513" which is "DA04ElderScroll"

the names are the editor ids as seen in Skyrim Viewer. the first is essentially a broken version it acts like a book with the turn pages pictures included but nothing shows on the screen. the second id is the working id. --Jfmherokiller 06:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Lymdrenn Tenvanni's JournalEdit

I ran across this volume by accident, and it seems to be labeled as a quest object, since the game won't let me put it down; however, I can't find any kind of a quest connected with it. Is this a bug, or does someone need this book? (Brandyl Tenvanni/Telvanni would be my guess.) -- Wordmama 19:07, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

You need to take it to Brand-Shei, in Riften (he's usually either in the market or in jail, depending on whether you've completed A Chance Arrangement or not) --Keris Rain 15:57, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Marvelous, thanks! Always nice to find out where the randomly discovered quest objects go. -- Wordmama 04:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Clarification Re Books and NotesEdit

Journals are listed under both normal books and notes, along with the various Home Decorating Guides. Are they books, notes, or both? What distinguishes notes from books? --Keris Rain 17:12, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Nothing objective distinguishes books from notes. As far as game data is concerned, they are all BOOK records. In assembling the books page, I arbitrarily limited the list to books with more than 500 characters of text. That's definitely over-simplistic but it was the fastest and easiest way to generate a list. --Nephele^Talk 02:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Skyrim Mod:Mod File Format/BOOK claims that 0xFF00 signifies a note. Then again another criteria could be whether a book cover is used or not. --Alfwyn 14:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

If there is no objection, I will use the ingame appearance as criteria (MODL) to distinguish between note and book. Everything looking like a (folded) piece of paper would be a note, anything having a cover (including journals) would be a book. The Elder Scroll would probably be a special case. --Alfwyn 15:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Quick QuestionEdit

Is this a complete list? I would look at my game files but I had to get the PS3 version. — Unsigned comment by 76.212.5.23 (talk) on 3 December 2011

Short answer, yes.

Long answer is that it was created from a complete list of all game books taken directly from the game data. But skill books and spell tomes were intentionally not added to this page, since they have their own pages. Furthermore, BOOK records with less than less than 500 characters of text were arbitrarily declared to be notes instead of books. The notes have still all been added to the site, just not listed here. If you really want to a see list including all standard books, spell books, and notes, see the Category:Skyrim-Books category. --Nephele^Talk 02:28, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Skill booksEdit

Skill books aren't included on this page, but put on a separate page. I find this confusing. A Dance in Fire, v1 is included on this page, but v2 isn't. Isn't more clear to include skill books on this page, as well on the skill book page? That gives this page a complete overview of all the books in the game, while a separate list for skill books is kept. CoolGamer 10:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with this. The Skyrim:Books article should include a list of all the books in Skyrim. The current state is causing quite a lot of confusion. See the history of the article to see just how many people thought a book wasn't included here and tried to correct it. -- kertaw48 13:58, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

There is always Category:Skyrim-Books for a list of all books. I find the page a bit unwieldy after all the other books have been added (well, a few notes can probably be removed). But not sure how to handle the expectation that all books can be found here another way. --Alfwyn 21:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Well this is not just a list of books. It also contains the info on their authors, locations and descriptions. Besides I believe the content of this wiki is directed at the average internet user, which means they don't normally know about wiki markup or even categories. -- kertaw48 22:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Last King of the AyleidsEdit

I'm playing on an Italian version of the game on PS3, and ran across the book "L'ultimo re degli Ayleid" (Last king of the Ayleids), and the book only contains the title page with the authors name, and nothing else. Can anyone confirm if this is also the case in the English version of the game, or if it's specific to the Italian language version? --Rhonijin 21:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Must be a language specific bug. For me Last King of the Ayleids shows all the content given on that page (once I turn the book pages). --Alfwyn 21:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

The Wolf Queen v3Edit

I don't know how to edit the list, but I found a copy of this book in the Riften jail. On the bookshelf on the lower floor. — Unsigned comment by 85.189.66.193 (talk) at 16:06 on 14 January 2012

You would add it at the book article Skyrim:The Wolf Queen, v3, filling in the |loc= parameter. It gets then automatically mirrored to this article. --Alfwyn 16:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

2920, First Seed, v3Edit

Finally found a copy of this book. I added it to the loc field, though this is my first edit so I hope I did it right. It was in the Below Decks section all the way in the back on the floor. I assume, because it was on the floor of that cell, it will be a static spawn. — Unsigned comment by 68.6.234.109 (talk) at 01:55 on 16 January 2012

Cant find 2920 v12Edit

I looked at the twilight sepulcher (where it says it is on the wiki), but I can't find the book. Is it outside? Is it in the pilgrims path? Is it at the entrance? If anyone knows where it is, please post. — Unsigned comment by 71.230.162.75 (talk) at 12:16 on 17 January 2012

It's inside, in the part where it says just "Twilight Sepulcher" when looking on your local map. I added the other static locations, the one at Angeline's Aromatics is probably the easiest to find. --Alfwyn 15:32, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Broken linksEdit

It seems that every single book whose title contains an apostrophe is broken. I'm stick in a Kindle, so I'm not really in a position to start fixing this until my laptop gets a new screen. That said, anyone who reads this should start fixing those links. 156.26.221.85 22:07, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Might be a problem with the mobile version of the site (assuming that's still operational), because the links work fine for me. Minor Edits 22:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Spawning BooksEdit

Do random books spawn on random hostile NPCs like bandits? Cuz after trying to find Amongst the Draugr in the College of Winterhold (according to the other wiki it's there) and coming up empty I somehow found one on a dead bandit at what's left at Helgen. I'm asking because I've come across a couple of books I couldn't find or I had to steal and if the above is right It'd be way easier for me to spawn the ones giving me trouble. --92.242.230.140 18:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, spellcasting bandits have a chance to have a random book, but it is random and dependent on level, so it might not be the easiest way to obtain a specific book. For what it is worth, I added the only guaranteed location for Amongst the Draugr. --Alfwyn 14:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps we should add a line of text on this article, about how certain books can be randomly spawned (plus a link to Leveled Book Lists) and a note that they will not be listed, to prevent people from adding links to possible locations of these books. -- kertaw48 15:01, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

The challenge will be to present this in compact form. There are several lists for several purposes, some of them change with level too. And I think there is some value in adding the fixed locations for books that can be appear randomly too. It's just without looking at the game data, there is only experimentation with entering a zone several times to tell a guaranteed locations from a random one. We could probably add a line to the location for individual books for random appearing ones. And then there are books with 40+ fixed locations, mentioning them all on the average book page will probably not be a good idea. But I might try to sandbox something about the leveled lists, just to get a better understanding about the matter. --Alfwyn 16:02, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Number of instances of DummyBook using a specific list (not listing spelltome lists):

List	CELL	WRLD
LItemBook0All	6	1
LItemBook3All	0	1
LItemBook4All	2	0
LItemBookClutter	315	7

--Alfwyn 15:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

And for what it's worth, LItemBookClutter is just equivalent to (LItemBook0All)+(LItemBook1All)+(LItemBook2All)-(Boethiah's Proving). So the types I added effectively cover that list, too.

Also, the info I added yesterday probably still needs more revising -- it's info that I wrote more than a month ago (before I even knew about dummy items) and I only did a few quick updates before posting it. --Nephele^Talk 16:09, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the clutter list is essential the first three lists flattened. It seems to be used by some standard containers too via LItemFurnitureMiscItems75 that has a chance for a clutter book. Then there are two smaller lists LItemVigilantBooks and LootSilverHandBooks10. Listing all locations for every book on this page will be too much, but I would like to see an overview for the rarity of a book. This may be the lists it appears on and the number of static locations. But I guess it would be good to really understand the lists and it's users first. --Alfwyn 17:56, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Minor Volume Number TroubleEdit

Despite correcting the volume numbers on their respective pages, the Argonian Account, Book 3's description is still showing it a being Book 2. 68.106.86.163 21:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

It looks good for me. I guess it is a caching problem that should correct itself soon, if it hasn't already. --Alfwyn 21:55, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Harvesting Frostbite Spider VenomEdit

According to this page and the pages for the leveled lists, the book Harvesting Frostbite Spider Venom does not appear to be associated with any of these lists, however Urag gro-Shub has a copy of the book for sale in my current game. Since Urag's book inventory is drawn from those leveled lists, shouldn't this book belong to one of those lists? 174.0.116.189 13:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion on journals and other such location-specific books.Edit

I think these should be in a separate table from books in the game that are 'published' so to speak. It would make it easier to look them up for anyone seeking these non-random, one location books.--Playerseekingbugs 05:46, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

I think this is what you're looking for. It's not alphabetically sorted, though. -- kertaw48 13:23, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Almost. It's still a mix of single copy, unique jounals and notes along with the 'published' stuff. A page that sort these unique notes, letters, and journals by location found and the in order in which they were probably supposed to be found would be more useful. Thanks for the link, though.--Playerseekingbugs 07:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Quest Books page does not exist?Edit

"Skyrim:Quest Books" is a redlink. Does the page really not exist? Am I missing anything? --Holomay 16:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't exist. A category does, but not a page. Vely^►t►e 16:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Should we make a redirect to that category's page then? Or change the only link to it so that it goes directly to the category page? -- kertaw48 17:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

For now, yes. I think it would be nice to have a page matching the other two, though. Vely^►t►e 17:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

The Quest Books category lists books that are related to Quests in the game. "Skyrim:Quest Books" is supposed to list books that add a quest to your journal. Lost Legends comes to my mind. I am not sure how many of these Quest Books exist. Maybe it is better to create a page that lists books, notes and items that start a quest when you first read/take them? --Holomay 17:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Vald's Debt misplacedEdit

Although Vald's Debt has an in-game image of a red cover with "crown" embossing, when shelved it appears as a note. Should the Vald's Debt entry be moved to Skyrim:Notes? RCWizard (talk) 08:31, 19 October 2012 (GMT)

It's certainly an oddball, looking like a book when reading or in the inventory, but like a note outside the inventory. It has a weight of 0 and the pagename is already Skyrim:Vald's Debt (note), so I guess moving it over to notes is the thing to do. --Alfwyn (talk) 23:48, 19 October 2012 (GMT)

List 4 booksEdit

I may be placing this in the wrong location, but...

Is it possible that L4 books available for sale is dependent on the books recovered for The Fetch Me That Book quests? I seem to only be able to purchase books that I have helped to recover. 107.192.193.123 01:57, 23 October 2012 (GMT)

This is as good a location as any I can think of. To answer your question, I see no evidence that there's anything like that in the game. It appears to be completely random, so it's probably just bad luck that you've been getting so many repeats. That and merchants do keep things you sell them for a while. Try saving, killing Urag (or any other book merchant), then reloading and see if their stock has changed. – Robin Hood↝talk 16:18, 23 October 2012 (GMT)

Vanilla books/notes are blankEdit

Anything added by mods or DLC still show text and can turn pages. Anything in regular Skyrim though is blank and I can't turn any pages. I have no clue how or why this happened and nothing shows up when I've searched for it online, except for Teamspeak or the like, which I haven't even heard of until I started looking for a solution to this problem. — Unsigned comment by 69.205.193.39 (talk) at 05:27 on 21 November 2012 (GMT)

The best solution I can offer off the top of my head for this kind of problem is to disable all your mods, to confirm the issue is with them. If the books are still missing text, try reinstalling. After that, begin reactivating your mods one by one to determine which one is problematic. It's annoying, but this kind of issue is just one of the many hazards of using modifications. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 05:27, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

It was a mod, it changed item weights, including books. If anyone else has the mod installed, or any others similar to it, then it might be the problem. Here's the mod in question: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/4918 — Unsigned comment by 69.205.193.39 (talk) at 11:35 on 22 November 2012‎

actual authors and categoriesEdit

I was wondering if there was any info readily available regarding the authors. I don't mean the fictional characters given authorship, I mean the real life people who wrote them in the first place. Were they members of the Bethesda team? There's probably a list in the credits, but I'd really like to know if there's some way to find out who wrote which specific books.

Also, might we consider having a page with links to the books, sorted by actual literary category, more like a reading library than a game guide? I've recently really gotten into reading some of the stories, and I've already read the Eslaf Erol series on the bus thanks to this wiki. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would get great use out of such a tool. - 70.72.16.171 16:07, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Personally, such a listing would be great. However, we have limited information to deal with. Some developers have a certain style that is quite apparent, but for others we'd just have to guess, which is not really helpful and is definitely not UESP material. The only developer whose full TES "bibliography" I know of is that of Ted Peterson, from his interview over at the Imperial Library (one of the early questions). As for books sorted by literary categories, we already have that at Lore:Books by Subject. -- Kertaw48 (talk) 19:18, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Tidying upEdit

Since it is possible to make almost endless comparisons between the games and this is the Skyrim name space about the Skyrim game, I was under the impression that it was "bad style" to make the comparisons even though they may be accurate and therefore I have cut out the parenthetical remark:

(unlike past Elder Scrolls games, where items sitting out in the open were always fixed)

In the table, I would also like to change the column heading from "weight" to "chance" and the entries from 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 to 44.4%, 33.3%, 22.2%, 11.1%, and 11.1% respectively since the average user may not be familiar with the mathematical idea of "weighting" out of 9 possibilities where the knowledge of the base "9" is outside of the table itself. Likewise, the current "weight" heading could be confused for the force of attraction exerted by the mass of the planet Nirn upon the mass of the books (i.e. weight). It is late March, 2013 so I'll wait until April and if there is no objection make the change. Kalevala (talk) 19:08, 24 March 2013 (GMT)

Makes sense. Even if they are familiar with how weighting works, using one term in two different ways is always confusing. Jeancey (talk) 19:15, 24 March 2013 (GMT)

Looking more closely at the problem the total "weights" are a function of the character level and this is more complex. For example, looking just at list 0 books, at character level 3, the weight 4 is out of 4, in other words 100%, while at character level 19, the weight 4 is out of 12, or 33%. So my initial interpretation of the table and how to improve it were wrong. Perhaps, it may require an additional column with "weights" becoming "chances" and the new column "out of" showing the total possible outcomes for that character level. Well, I have at least a week to mull over my objection to my proposal. Kalevala (talk) 19:46, 24 March 2013 (GMT)

Possibly:

Book Leveled List	Level	Chances	Out of	Urag gro-Shub
List 0	1	4	4	Stocks 10
List 1	6	3	7	Stocks 5
List 2	12	2	9	Stocks 3
List 3	18	2	12	Stocks 1
List 4	18	1	12	Stocks 1

Kalevala (talk) 20:38, 24 March 2013 (GMT)

Well, it is April 2 and no comments or objections to the above change have been made. Therefore, I made the change. Kalevala (talk) 23:30, 2 April 2013 (GMT)

470 books - moved from articleEdit

*There are 470 books in this table. I can't think of an easy way to verify this. Can somebody else think of one? --Xyzzy ^Talk 06:01, 1 June 2013 (GMT)

Verified. A very easy way is to use the search and replace function in Notepad. --Jimeee (talk) 11:39, 11 March 2014 (GMT)

General Ingame Book Section/ Table of Contents ordered by Game.Edit

Since there are several books which appear in more than one or even all Games of the series it would be quite helpful to have some kind of book listing in table form which also lists the Games and if the book appears in said game or not (or if there are any changes in the book's text). Metaphorset (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2014 (GMT)

This may be what you're looking for: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Books_A --Jimeee (talk) 19:15, 26 February 2014 (GMT)

complete list of booksEdit

I'm going through this list trying to see which books I don't have, and came across a book I do have that isn't on this list. Its called Ahzidal's Descent. Apparently its from the dragonborn DLC. I don't know if there is a reason for it not being listed or has just been missed. I'll add any more books I come across to this section.

On a second look, I see there is a separate list for dragonborn books, but dawnguard books are listed here.

Also, if anyone knows of a way I could separate the journals and such from the actual books on this list, that would save me some time. — Unsigned comment by 69.246.145.154 (talk) at 17:20 on 7 March 2014

Printer friendly complete list of booksEdit

I added a link to a file I uploaded containing printer friendly word pad and Microsoft word versions of all books in Skyrim that are available in game as far as I know. This is the result of a discussion on the community portal Archive 40 under the section Possible massive site wide project. It took me a couple of hours to copy and tweak all the information. This is just a practical example of my idea meant to generate interest in such a resource such that it may be expanded to other lists and games in the future. If you find the idea useful please respond so that it doesn't get deleted! Thank you. Datacaust (talk) 07:18, 17 March 2014 (GMT) That's right.

You know that all of the book text is on CS list right? As well as all the dialogue and other information people might want? Jeancey (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

Is that an easy to print list of all books obtainable in game, conveniently linked to from the article? Im console and don't know much about CS. Datacaust (talk) 08:02, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

I mean, you'd have to search each book out, and we tend not to put them on the articles because people get confused really easily when they see CSList. CSList is basically a database of the Construction Set information. The issue I would have with creating a text list of all the books, is that it isn't really all that useful to anyone. No one is just gonna read the books from end to end more than once, and even if they do, they would obviously care about it enough to make that list themselves. The amount of effort involved, plus the amount of space needed to host them (I believe that each game text file would be above the 2mb limit we usually impose on uploads), it just doesn't seem like it's really needed. Jeancey (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

Also, I just rechecked the original conversation you referenced, and the consensus then was also that it wasn't really worth the effort, and that there wasn't really any point to doing the project. Jeancey (talk) 08:15, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

This list appears to be set up for the same purpose that I made one for, checking off each book as you read and/or collect them. It would have been useful to me until about 2 months ago, when I made my own. I don't see a problem with it being included somewhere in the article, as long as it's not just the two of us that find it useful. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:16, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

The person who posted the section complete list of books above may find it useful I wanted to separate journals from the list anyway. Without a practical example of how it works I don't see how interest would be generated. The file is only 26KB and the blurb that links to it is so small I don't understand your basis for opposition. At least allow it some time to generate feedback, as far as the "consensus" on the community portal is concerned not even you, Jeancey, specifically said no to the idea. There must be a demand for this considering both me, Xyzzy and others, one can assume, took the time to create such a list AND that it was put into the official strategy guide. Datacaust (talk) 16:32, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

(←) But there it begins to split, some want the journals in, others not. And when we have it for books, why not for spells, enchantments, shouts, ... ? If we have a printer-friendly list of books, I think it should be easily editable (in contrast to download, unzip, edit, zip, upload), so something far more simple like just text may work better (that can easily imported into a spreadsheet too, for people wanting to do that). It could just be a sub-page of this with one title per row, when linked to with "action=raw" it could be printed as is. --Alfwyn (talk) 16:42, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

Alfwyn did you see the file in question? And yes my intention is to ultimately do it for all of those things and more. Datacaust (talk) 17:11, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

I think it's a good idea. Im trying to collect all the books in the game and checklist would be useful. LadyLycanthrope (talk) 19:34, 17 March 2014 (GMT)

Something like this may be best suited for a new "Resources" section, similar to Skyrim:Alchemy#External Resources. Let's give it a few days and see what the consensus is. I support listing it there, since there is no better printable resource ATM. --Xyzzy ^Talk 04:21, 18 March 2014 (GMT)

I left the original edit that was taken off the page with the link to the file on my user page if anybody wants to have a look download it and print it to their hearts content. There it is 9 words including link 26 kb. — Unsigned comment by ‎ Datacaust (talk • contribs) at 05:23 on 18 March 2014

Randomly Generated Books?Edit

The description on this page claims that "Most books sitting out on bookshelves or lying around are randomly-generated". This seems to be markedly false. I've only checked out a few cells around Whiterun to be sure, but all the books I've come across seem to be hard coded as a particular book, and don't seem to be changed when I enter the area in the game. Perhaps this is a change that came along in some patch (though I do not believe this is the case), but whatever the reason, it is now incorrect. 96.29.223.238 02:58, 26 March 2015 (GMT)

No, most books are randomly generated. A city would be the worst place to check this, since most cells are more specifically planned out. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 03:11, 26 March 2015 (GMT)

Book list completionEdit

Is there a reason that Dawnguard books are included in this list, but Dragonborn books are not? There isn't a Dawnguard:Books page like the Skyrim:Books, at least not that I could find. Come to think of it, I don't think I've come across any Dawnguard specific pages, but Dragonborn has its own section. — Unsigned comment by Generilisk (talk • contribs) at 06:51 on 4 April 2017

Dragonborn has its own namespace just like Tribunal, Bloodmoon, and Shivering Isles. I am not sure how it was decided, but Dawnguard did not have enough content to justify a separate namespace. The same is true for Hearthfire and the official add-ons for Morrowind and Oblivion. Therefore, everything added in Dawnguard is under the Skyrim namespace. In my opinion, it should have its own area on the wiki, but that's not how things worked out. Perhaps in the future, we can determine more explicitly which expansions deserve namespaces. —Dillonn241 (talk) 07:17, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

There are Dawnguard specific pages, but not in a Dawnguard namespace. New items are listed at Skyrim:Dawnguard Items (though books are not included except for a link to the category). These links can all be found under the Gameplay Information heading on the Dawnguard DLC page, without the unnecessary Dawnguard part of the name of the page, eg Items. Additionally any pages that are solely to do with Dawnguard content have the mod's icon on the top right of the page, while any pages altered by Dawnguard have the icon on the altered part, or sometimes just a superscripted ^DG to indicate its provenance. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 10:26, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

easter eggEdit

In Benkongerike there is a riekling hut tucked away all by itself. It is full of dozens of copies of The Lusty Argonian Maid and multiple bundles of linen cloth. The Lusty Argonian Maid, a pornographic play, and the linen cloths, which are similar to tissues or any other device used to clean up a mess, are both closely associated with masturbation. There is also a telekinesis spell tome hidden under the books, and in Skyrim, telekinesis is used to make items come to you... — Unsigned comment by 194.81.127.246 (talk) at 12:57 on 26 February 2019‎

This is already noted at Skyrim:Easter Eggs, but I'm assuming you already knew this since you basically copied the entry word-for-word here. --Xyzzy ^Talk 03:52, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Dragonborn merge thoughtsEdit

Somewhere during reorganizing templates it seems that the list from which the book is, isn't shown anymore in the type column. The text on the page indicates it should be so. So was that a concious change or something that was just overlooked ? Will get of course more complicated by trying to work out how that should behave with DB books and their own lists merged in --Alfwyn (talk) 01:33, 23 February 2020 (GMT)

Do all list3 and list4 books respawn when a cell reloads?Edit

I can't find this info anywhere. 90.199.112.22 22:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Journal of a MadmanEdit

Is there any reason the book Journal of a Madman [[1]] is not on this list? 68.5.231.223 05:18, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

It appears that this book is already present on Skyrim:Notes. -MolagBallet (talk) 06:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Alphabetical OrderingEdit

There are two ways to do alphabetical ordering for a site like this. One is to use classic alphabetizing according to the rules of the English language's long established usage; the other is to replicate the order that's in the game. I think this site should use the order that's in the game, given that this is a site that is about the game. Frankly, having the books listed in a completely different order than they're listed in the game makes this page of very limited utility. I plan to make my own list of books that's ordered the way it is in the game, because it's just too cumbersome to have to scroll back and forth trying to sync up the lists. As it currently stands, this page is largely useless. Thoughts? Valeria (talk) 03:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I like it as is ... but I see your point. I wonder what people's thoughts would be on adding a sort-by tag to books that start with an article so that users that intentionally click the column header to sort by title would change the list to sort as they are in game but leave them in their place on the list in the page's code so the default page presentation stays as is. I also made a mod that actually renames the books in game to remove the article and eliminate this issue a different way (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/110308). —Eve (talk) 04:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)