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Editors, you are welcome to propose anything as an Easter Egg or reference, or comment regarding the current page, but first consider that a reference cannot be generic (unspecific), such as giant animals. All references to the gameplay and world of past Elder Scrolls games belong on the Historical References page. Many specific topics have already been discussed, such as Harry Potter's giant snakes, the Deathly Hallows symbol, and sweetrolls, so please check the archives before posting for discussions which might address your proposal or concern.


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Hunch back of notre dame referenceEdit

During the quest a night to remember you need to get your wedding back from Moira a hagraven who you supposedly married when you ask for it back she says that you want it for that hussy with the dark feathers Elsmerelda" then she attacks you. I think this is a reference to the disney movie hunchback of notre dame because in it is a dark haired character elsmerelda who is dark haired and very.... charming.173.13.238.77 22:25, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

The actual line is You want it for that hussy Esmerelda, with the dark feathers – don't you? Hagraven feathers are black/grey, which is a dark color. I don't think this was intended to be a reference to anything. Zul do onikaanLaan tinvaak 23:16, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
a quick google for the name Esmerelda makes it clear that google assumes you searched Hunchback of Notre Dame,
in that search, wikipedia does mention a witch named Esmerelda on a television show
that was apparently one of the best 50 shows of all time in 2002. ...Bewitched
Hunchback is definitely old enough to have been an inspiration for naming the Bewitched character,(1831)
and the original Esmeralda getting hung for being a witch seems a strong hagraven connection too.
longpinkytoes 00:02, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Broken link at Arthurian LoreEdit

When you click "unmarked small pool" e links to http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Unmarked_Places#Smaller_Anomalies but the correct link is http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Unmarked_Places#Smaller_Places_of_Interest — Unsigned comment by 131.72.220.136 (talk) at 17:02 on 20 September 2016

The page has been updated, thanks. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 16:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Star Wars imageryEdit

During the Dawnguard quest Touching The Sky, you go to the Forgotten Vale, which is dotted with caves. One of these caves, Sharpslope Cavern, has an image of Boba Fett's helmet, right down to the antenna on the left side. Go in the cavern. Follow the slope down, take a left, down further, take a right. Right there in front of you is Boba Fett. — Unsigned comment by 71.205.208.226 (talk) at 02:24 on 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I find it doubtful that such an obvious reference would be included in a cave, even such a minor cave. I have looked this up online and found nothing to suggest that this cave contains any reference to Boba Fett; but I will check it in-game later today and update this. AlphaAbsol (talk) 03:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
It does exist, but doesn't really look like Boba Fett's helmet. See User-KINMUNE-FettHead.jpg. In the CK, it is a generic piece, CaveGBoulderL04. - KINMUNE ﴾TALK﴿ 04:23, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I do see how it could be taken to look like that but it's, of course, not enough to be an easter egg, especially due to it being a generic boulder. AlphaAbsol (talk) 04:49, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Baba Yaga (a witch in Russian folklore) reference in "A Night to Remember"Edit

Moira, the hagraven the Dragonborn marries while blacked out in the quest a "Night to Remember," is a possible reference to the character Baba Yaga, a witch often featured in Russian folk tales. In Russian folk tales, a hero on a quest seeks her out in her home in the woods, and though fearsome, she is not always hostile. Her house stands on chicken legs, while Moira's house stands on stilts, so its possible this reference is inadvertent. However most houses in Skyrim are not built on stilts, which makes the choice seem intentional. — Unsigned comment by SashaTheRussian (talk • contribs) at 04:24 on 11 November 2016‎ (UTC)

I wouldn't say this is enough to be a reference. The only thing really linking it is the fact that it's a witch with a house on stilts. Witches are common in most fantasy, and the house being on stilts is probably just a coincidence, especially because the myth has the house on chicken legs, not on stilts. AlphaAbsol (talk) 05:13, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Dawngaurd dwemer schematicsEdit

For the quest Ancient Technology you have to retrieve some schematics for Sorine Jurard, but if you look at the bottom left of the schematic the electronic symbol for a directly heated triode valve(vacuum tube) is visible and to the right (partially obscured) is the electronic symbol for an electrostaticly deflected CRT. Now the more i look at this diagram the more electronic symbols i see. 81.156.182.160 14:30, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Are you talking about this? I can see the resemblance. —Legoless (talk) 23:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Princess MononokeEdit

Moved this from the article. —Legoless (talk) 03:08, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

It would be nice to have some context to go on for those of us who do not know "Princess Mononoke". What exactly makes the dead elf and the dead deer a reference to the elk and the young noble? —MortenOSlash (talk) 08:07, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
Nothing is the real answer. The only thing in common here are the horns on the deer. The High Elf would need to be human wearing a blue top and white/cream trousers, and the deer would need to be an elk. The spikes in the pit have no commonality with the spikes around Irontown other than being spikes in the ground. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 10:33, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
some context for non-anime fans:
Ashitaka is an Emishi prince from a literal royal family of Emishi Village
descended from the Jomon from Lake Baikal, an elder race distinct from modern humans.
the High Elf is from the race that deems itself the royal family of Tamriel,
descended from Aldmer, from Sommerset Isles an elder race distinct from Imperials/Nords/etc.
the argument that he should be human ignores that there is no way to tell a human is nobility
where making him Altmer makes it visibly obvious that he at least thought of himself that way.
the harder case to argue was that the elf and elk did not arrive together, given that they seem to be
in identical states of decay, fell in the same hole, have yet to be looted by the bandits, etc.
"the spikes in the ground have nothing in common with spikes in the ground, aside from being spikes in the ground."
while the entire camp is surrounded by palisades, these are lined up like pencils in a box
the randomness and isolated placement of the pit spikes just outside the walls of Halted Stream
mimic the erratic placement of the defensive spikes just outside the walls of Iron Town.
a blue shirt was not available until hearthfires, and only for children at that
Yakul, who is a fantasy hybrid not an elk, looks like skyrim deer. skyrim elk look more like moose.
longpinkytoes 02:22, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Nightbreed referenceEdit

In the Dark Brotherhood, there is a vampire named Babette.

This character could be a nod to the movie Nightbreed.

"A female Nightbreed named Rachel pleads for Lori to take it out of the sunlight. Once in the shadows, it transforms into a little girl who is Rachel's daughter Babette" — Unsigned comment by Bonechip (talk • contribs) at 20:00 on 22 June 2017

Babette contains more relevance to Interview with a nightmare than Nightbreed or Cabal, the book the film is adapted/based on. And no offense, but the film certainly and the book do not appear to have been widespread enough to think that it would have reached the attention of anyone working on Skyrim. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 19:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Half-Life referenceEdit

In the quest Discover the treasure of Angarvunde, when the player accepts the deal offered by Medresi Dran, she has this dialogue line: "Excellent. With my brains and your brawn, that treasure will soon be mine... uh, ours."

Bethesda's developers (among many others...) have several times suggested that Valve's game has been a huge inspiration to them in all their projects. I wonder if it can be a nod to the well known scientist line : "with my brains and your brawn we'll make an excellent team". Besides, scientists teaming with Gordon in HL1 were well known for quickly rushing into a trap or an alien, which is what Medresi Dran does at the end, rushing to the treasure...and dying in a trap. --Jprc (talk) 11:08, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

I doubt this is a Half-Life reference. It's a common turn-of-phrase. --Rezalon (talk) 13:43, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
a google search for "with my brains and your brawn" (using quotes) yields 481 results.
the first four hits on page one are for Half-Life, and the fifth for an obscure political cartoon
following them, all six suggested images are from Half-Life, with the images page being Half-Life 4:1
it actually took much longer to write these 4 lines than to confirm the reference to Half-Life.
longpinkytoes 23:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Half-life may be the top listings on google, but that doesn't make it a reference, not when the exact line can be sourced to something from over 50 years ago. A phrase in itself does not make a reference when it is such a base trope as this, as well as the trope of the person trying to screw you over getting their comeuppance just as they are about to succeed. On the second page of google there are 5 different books with this exact phrase, as well as the Brains and Brawn page on tvtropes. This is then followed up with multitudes of people quoting Half-Life on various forums, almost all of them using the full sentence and not just the first part. It is hard to see that this partial phrase in this setting is a reference, and not just someone using a very common phrase. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 00:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
a team of 100 developers worked on Skyrim from 2006-2011, and Half-Life sold 9 millionth copy some time in 2008
and the op has mentioned that many if not all of those 100 were avid players of Half-Life during the development cycle.
while not all 100 developers were in charge of penning the in-game dialogues and likely not all played Half-Life,
the line in question seems to be as common a line from an npc as 'arrow in the knee' so would be a common in-house meme.
but if a bunch of 20 somethings referencing brains and brawn instances from before they were born seems more likely to you,
maybe you're right and the line of dialogue was actually inspired by Westley, Inigo, and Fezzik the giant instead. ;)
[My brains, his steel, and your strength against sixty men?]
longpinkytoes 01:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Being a reference to Fezzik seems far more likely to me than a reference to Half-Life. And as noted, it's a very common saying. It seems highly unlikely to me that out of a team of 100 developers, no one would have ever heard a phrase that has been bandied about all over pop culture for the previous half-century.
And to be honest, that phrase doesn't make me think "Half-Life". If they'd wanted to make an explicit reference, there are many other lines that would have been more definitive, in my opinion. Echo (talk) 02:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
i was willing to believe it was a phrase bandied about all over pop culture for the previous half-century, but...
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1. Dragonball Z (1996) Launch: With your brawn and my brains, we could pull off some major bank heists.
2. Aug 2, 1999 With my brawn and his brains, I lifted my 40-pound monitor and while he...
Jan 1, 1900 – Jan 1, 2010
1. May 19, 2009 Sometimes, Brains and Brawn serve as heroes, but other times...
2. Feb 1, 2001 Inigo Montoya: Your brains, Fezzik's strength, my steel.
3. Feb 1, 2001 Luthor tells Nuclear Man, "With my brains and your brawn, I could be king." "What...
4. Feb 1, 2001 You've got the brawn. I've got the brains. Let's make lots of…
5. Nov 15, 2002 Bra grinned "Not with my brains and your brawn. I figure we can do it in a week.
6. Sep 3, 2004 ... open the wav file you will here a scientist saying "With your brains and my brawn,
7. May 25, 2007 Quotes. “With my brains and your brawn, we'll make an excellent team !”
8. May 30, 2007 Hmm...your power level is puny. Ha. ...... With your brawn and my brains, we could pull off...
9. Jul 23, 2008 ClaudeGTA3 9 years ago #3. With my brains and your brawn, we'll make an excellent team.
10. Apr 8, 2009 Uploaded by HalfLifeScientist With my brains and your brawn we'll make an excellent team
11. Nov 25, 2009 "With my brains and your brawn, we'll make an excellent team!
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In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 250 already displayed.
the entries that keep repeating up to the 2010 cutoff are Dragonball Z and Pet Shop Boys. both are near misses.
the phrase first appears as Skyrim goes into production, is unique in 2010, and Skyrim released the following year in 2011.
longpinkytoes 16:15, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

(←) The phrase in question is not unique to Half-Life. The 50+ year old source is that obscure political cartoon by Bill Maudlin entitled "With my brains and your brawn" done in 1964. No-one said it was a pop culture phrase at all, it simply existed long before a very popular game used it in what became a very memorable situation. I saw an allusion that the line in Half-Life is in fact a reference to Crash Bandicoot and Dr Neo Cortex, but couldn't see any evidence. The quote from May 25 2007 you list is the exact phrase from HL but 2 years before Half-Life was released (the alluded Bandicoot game was 2004). All in all I am actually saying it is not a reference at all, just a sentence in a game where more than 98% of the dialogue is not a reference to something from another game. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 11:06, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

the link from May 25, 2007 that seems to predate Half-Life is from this site: www.writeups.org/walter-bennett-half-life/
the link above it from Sep 3, 2004 is from 'The Whole Half-Life' here: twhl.info/tutorial.php?id=85
google may skim the posting date from the site metadata, calling into doubt dates not confirmed on the page itself.
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the basis of this easter egg is a follower inviting themselves along with the protagonist by arguing their merit as a follower.
the basis of that cartoon is tricking an enemy using greed to act as an ally, which could be seen as an unflattering bible reference.
the brains and brawn trope page does not have a single match to the exact phrase, the 5 books were written from 2011-2017 after Skyrim
longpinkytoes 16:15, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm still unconvinced. If the rest of the phrase (the "make an excellent team" part) had been included this would be a slam dunk, but it's not there. And what is there has appeared many times before Half-Life. In fact, one of your examples includes the exact phrasing:
3. Feb 1, 2001 Luthor tells Nuclear Man, "With my brains and your brawn, I could be king."
This a quote from Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, which was released in 1987 (not 2001, as the timestamp on that quote would indicate), and predates Half-Life by well over a decade. Echo (talk) 17:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree with the opposition. This phrase is simply too old/common to say with certainty that it is actually a reference to something specific. Even if the exact wording was there, I really don't see this being an egg. It's just a common expression with countless variations that incidentally appears in both games. Forfeit (talk) 18:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
good points all around, though seem to miss the main thrust of the OP, which sounds like it boiled down to:
"With my brains and your brawn, we'll make an excellent team" was the "I'm sworn to carry your burdens" of Half-Life
[ie. the line you heard enough of ( or had enough of lol ) to remember for life if you ever had a follower in-game]
and according to many behind-the-scenes videos, Half-Life was the Skyrim at Bethesda studios, before there was Skyrim.
[ie. the game that everyone played at some point, knew well, and used references from daily for in-house memes and jokes]
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if a game launches right now where npc's say "I'm sworn to carry your burdens, to the nearest pub lol "
the fact that Skyrim ended the phrase before the punch line means there's no way one is an easter egg of the other, right? ;)
longpinkytoes (talk) 22:32, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Ah okay, so it's not just a one-off line in Half-Life. In that case, there may be something to this after all. Echo (talk) 02:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Loki, Thor, and Mjolnir Reference?Edit

Well I don't know why people missed this one, but in the quest of Dragon Rising, the grabbed guard named Hroki and Tor and the dragon named Mirmulnir, is it just me or is it a reference of Norse Mythology? and also the weapons from Voluunrud, Okin and Eduj can be read Niko and Jude backwards.Mudcrabrider (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

i really wanna say that Thor, Tor, Loki, and Hroki are just common combinations of norse-esque phonemes
similar to john, jane, jack, jill. where: John and Jane went up the hill" has no meaning at all... but:
this scripted and recorded in-game dialogue seems to neatly tie all three together deliberately.
longpinkytoes 16:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Hroki seems to be a common name in Skyrim, as there is at least one other Hroki in the game. —MortenOSlash (talk) 06:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
The Hroki and Mirmulnir stuff could go on Etymology. Given the quest plot and Kvenel the Tongue's name, it could be reference to the book of Jude in the Christian Bible, which deals with the concept of "speaking in tongues". The Rim of the Sky (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

A Tale of Two Cities ReferenceEdit

Rorikstead's healer, Jouane Manette, is possibly a reference to the character Dr. Manette in A Tale of Two Cities. Both are "doctors," and share the same last name. It might also be worth mentioning that Sissel, Jouane's secret apprentice, is blonde, similar to Dr. Manette's daughter, Lucie Manette/Darnay/St. Evrémonde/D'Aulnais. The latter information doesn't really provide much though. — Unsigned comment by CarbonJM (talk • contribs) at 01:42 on 19 October 2017 (UTC)

No, not even close. Same surnames and similar occupations is nowhere near enough of a similarity to even think it is a reference. Dr Manette's first name is Alexandre. Their back-stories aren't even close to being comparable (Alexandre a doctor imprisoned for years for being outspoken, Joune a healer who fought in a war, suffered no capture or ill-treatment, and has no apparent debilitation). Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 09:02, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
I did some research, and Manette is an extremely rare surname. Around 506 people with it. It seems unlikely that Bethesda would name a healer such an obscure name coincidentally. — Unsigned comment by CarbonJM (talk • contribs) at 06:13 on 25 October 2017

Fallout referenceEdit

There's a reference to the Fallout series of games in Whiterun. When you ask Lars about what there is for a kid to do in town, the first thing he says is that he used to sneak into the Grey-Mane's yard and tip over their cow, which is a reference to "Brahmin Tipping" from the Fallout series. I think this should be added, as it seems highly unlikely to be just a random sentence.12.64.200.234 13:36, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Cow tipping is a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping --Jimeee (talk) 13:41, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Eorlund Grey-Mane and Wayland SmithEdit

Eorlund is a clear reference to Wayland (or Wiolant) the Smith, who forged Beowulf's armour (Wolf armour) and the sword Gram, that Sigurd used to kill the dragon Fafnir. He was considered the greatest blacksmith in the world. — Unsigned comment by 210.49.87.184 (talk) at 11:00 on 30 April 2018 (UTC)

He is not "clearly" a reference. Being regarded as the best smith in the world is not unique to Wayland, and it is only mentioned off-hand once, by himself. Everyone else limits him to the best in Skyrim. The wolf armor is coincidental, it is named that way as a subtle nod towards the werewolf nature of the inner circle. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 18:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Cicero Joker referenceEdit

I propose we add that Cicero is a reference to the Joker, or at least that his character is inspired by or based off him. There are only so many mass murdering, joke making psychopathic funnymen out there, it's difficult to call their similarities a coincidence.ChrisOfChaos (talk) 02:28, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

While there are a limited number of murderous clowns, it is also the case that just because they are a murderous clown that they must be a reference to the most famous of them. Cicero and the Joker don't share a lot of similarities other than that. Cicero doesn't murder for the fun of it, he isn't "mad/deranged" in the same way the Joker is. Cicero cares if he is caught. There are a few points that seem similar, such as his "surrender" but this is immediately followed by something the Joker would never do. It's hard not to imagine that some small part of Cicero being a clown didn't come from the Joker, but I don't think Cicero himself resembles in any way the Joker, certainly not enough to believe it was an intentional design. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 18:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

FrostEdit

Just in case someone objects to the expansion of the Frost section. Grani (spelt Grane in the game) is Sleipnir's descendant. Sigurd named it such after an "old man" (Odin in disguise) told him of its ancestry. That seems pretty nailed on as another reference after Sleipnir. Loka would then appear to be referencing Loki, with a small change of spelling as it would probably be too too obvious, and might confuse some people because Loki is a dude, albeit a god-dude, who gave birth to Sleipnir after taking on the shape of a mare. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 00:59, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

star wars easter egg updateEdit

i found a proper source for this easter egg

Star Wars

  • If you venture into Bleakcoast Cave, you will find inside some interesting things. The first is a frost troll; once you have found and killed the frost troll, nearby will be a skeleton hanging upside down from the ceiling with a sword on the ground. This is a reference to Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, in which Luke Skywalker finds himself trapped by a Wampa in a cave and uses the Force to reach for his lightsaber. A similar reference appeared in the Morrowind expansion Bloodmoon.

— Unsigned comment by 64.72.210.21 (talk) at 18:50 on 14 July 2018

Actually saying what you are wanting to change is much more helpful than copying the entire paragraph and plonking it here. The only visible difference is a padlock at the end of the hyperlink rather than an arrow. For others straining to see what on earth the difference is, it is the hyperlink being changed from the Star Wars wikia to the wikipedia page. This isn't a source, its a link. The source of the egg is the game, the source of the referenced media is the media. The link does not have to be to wikipedia, there are other wiki's out there, and wikis focused on the source material rather than a general thing are usually more useful. This isn't an exception either, there are links to other wikis on the page, and there is absolutely no need to change it to wikipedia. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 18:17, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Cicero - Joker ReferenceEdit

Cicero is a reference to the Joker from Batman.

He is a jester, which was a joker or comedian in the Middle Ages. Not only that but he dresses bizarrely, in costume, like the Batman villain. Not only are both Cicero and the Joker insane, but they have the same kind of insanity as chronically laughing serial killers. When you read his journal you will find that he goes insane midway through his criminal career after a near death experience, same as the joker, and has the characteristic maniacal laughing that makes the Joker so famous.

Most telling of all is the quote from Cicero's journal number 4. ". Cicero is dead! Cicero is born! The laughter has filled me, filled me so very completely. I am the laughter. I am the jester. The soul that has served as my constant companion for so long has breached the veil of the Void finally and forever. It is now in me. It is me. The world has seen the last of Cicero the man. Behold Cicero, Fool of hearts - laughter incarnate!"

The Joker went by many nicknames including the Jester of Genocide, the Ace of Knaves, the Crown Prince of Crime and the Harlequin of Hate. "I am the Comeback King! The Clown Prince of Chaos! The Jester of Genocide!" reads similarly to "I am the laughter, I am the jester... Behold Cicero, Fool of hearts - laughter incarnate!".

Finally, at the end of the quest "The Cure for Madness", Cicero and the Dragonborn Listener have a showdown in the Dawnstar Sanctuary where the Dragonborn must navigate a building full of traps to reach Cicero, who is feigning injury. This is similar to the Joker, who Batman has to track down after navigating traps, lies, deception and feigns.

This continues Bethesda's tradition of basing Dark Brotherhood Characters after Movie Serial Killers, like Mathieu Bellamont's journal from Elder Scrolls Oblivion showing similarities to Jason. — Unsigned comment by 104.174.231.130 (talk) at 07:08 on 10 October 2018

None of these similarities are close or are anything more than surface level. I do not see this as a reference at all without clear confirmation from Bethesda. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 16:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Alpha Kenny Buddy (AKB). Many people have stated that Cicero reminds them of the Joker, there was even a post a few above mine, so the similarities are close enough to draw comparisons. Cicero is a unique character, definitely, but he is inspired by the Joker from Batman. Maybe if he was just a Jester you could say it was coincidental, but a maniacally laughing insane serial killer who goes crazy after a near death experience and becomes a jester (joker), starts dressing in costume, and builds a labyrinth of traps, tricks, and feigns in Dawnstar? That is quite a number of "coincidences". As far as waiting for clear confirmation from Bethesda, does Bethesda confirm the Easter Eggs? If so, what is the purpose of this discussion box. Aren't all references deniable until officially confirmed? Isn't that what makes them references, as opposed to a knockoff or copy? — Unsigned comment by 104.174.231.130 (talk) at 07:08 on 10 October 2018
All of those things are superficial. They don't have similar lines (the examples provided don't match in anything but minor ways). The Joker and Cicero are not the first evil clowns in media history, it's an extremely common trope. A labyrinth of traps or feigning dead are not things that make the Joker character famous, either. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 01:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
I agree with AKB here. While the maniacal jokester trope, of which the Joker is undoubtedly the most well known, may have been the inspiration for Cicero, we typically require some more direct connection to consider it a reference, such as dialogue or appearance that is identical. --Xyzzy Talk 05:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

i found a new star wars easter eggsEdit

At 0:58 in the song "Distant Horizons" from the official soundtrack, a part of Bastila Shan's theme from the Knights of the Old Republic game will play. Composer Jeremy Soule created the music for both games.--Jetcold0 (talk) 04:34, 20 October 2019 (GMT)

poltergiest link problemEdit

so, when i click on the link to the poltergiest film, it leads to the disambiguation page, here is where you can fix it:

here is the link that it leads to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist_(disambiguation)

here is what it's supposed to link to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist_(1982_film) — Unsigned comment by Jetcold0 (talk • contribs) at 17:13 on 31 October 2019 (GMT)

Thanks, link is now fixed. Kiz(email - talk) 17:28, 31 October 2019 (GMT)

fishy stick updateEdit

Forums.Bethsoft.com is no longer open. Please visit our new community forums at bethesda.net/community. If you like, you can still explore archived discussion in these forums. — Unsigned comment by Jetcold0 (talk • contribs) at 17:13 on 31 October 2019 (GMT)

I'm a little unsure that this actually needs updating, the link points to still open if not current forum where the meme started. Kiz(email - talk) 17:28, 31 October 2019 (GMT)

i found some new star wars easter eggsEdit

i found some new star wars easter eggs:

Inside of Frostfruit Inn, Erik can be heard talking to his father, with his father telling him, "All I ask is that you stay on for one more season," and "That's just your mother's side in you." This is a reference to Uncle Owen's conversation with Luke in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. Also, Calcelmo can be heard telling his nephew, Aicantar, "Next season for sure." — Unsigned comment by Jetcold0 (talk • contribs) at 17:58 on 31 October 2019‎

The dialogue by Mralki to Erik is "Yes, that's your mother's side of the family talking. Just stay on for one more season, that's all I ask." I watched a Youtube clip of the conversation between Luke and his uncle and aunt, and they reference his father, not his mother, in his nature. Any similarities in dialogue seem coincidental to me rather than deliberate, as they are quite different overall. --Xyzzy Talk 14:50, 2 November 2019 (GMT)

how about this star wars easter egg then?Edit

If you travel with the ghost of Lucien Lachance, he will sometimes say "I feel a disturbance in the void," which is very similar to the phrase "I feel a great disturbance in The Force," from the Star Wars movies which is often said by Force wielders.--Jetcold0 (talk) 21:08, 2 November 2019 (GMT)

You link the page where the line is transcribed and yet can't see the line isn't said like that? While there is a slight similarity in words, the meaning of the "disturbance" as communicated by Lucien's next line removes any possibility of similarity in what caused the disturbance. Please put some thought into comparing the actual lines spoken before making any more proposals. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 02:12, 3 November 2019 (GMT)
Please don't bite the newcomers, Silencer. It was enough to explain why the similarity probably wasn't...you didn't need to suggest that he didn't put thought into the post. Some people see similarities when others don't; it's sufficient to leave it at that. – Robin Hood  (talk) 03:54, 3 November 2019 (GMT)
Nice suggestion Jetcold, I honestly think you're correct on that one. I felt like it was an easter egg the first time I heard it, definitely seems likely to me. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 03:58, 3 November 2019 (GMT)
Someone making their 5th separate post on the Easter Eggs page should have some familiarity with its rules. This topic is written as a reply to the above post about similar yet non-identical dialogue where the quote was also inaccurate. Having had that inaccuaracy pointed out the person then proceeded to make another inaccurate quote while linking a page that contained the quote, obviously begging the question as to why they didn't double-check that to avoid an immediate rebuttal of their proposal. As per the notice at the top of the page suggesting that something has probably already been discussed, this one was too, and rejected. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 12:31, 3 November 2019 (GMT)

easter eggs links problemEdit

easter egg links that need to be fixed:

Galaxy QuestEdit

  • When you first enter the Frozen Hearth in Winterhold, the innkeeper will complain to Nelacar about conducting experiments at the inn—"Like some horrible monster was turned inside out, and then exploded."—a line very similar to one from the movie Galaxy Quest.

the link to galaxy quest goes to: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0177789/quotes?qt=qt0424466

instead, that link should go to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_Quest

Legend of ZeldaEdit

the link to legend of zelda goes to: http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_series

it should instead go to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda

Star WarsEdit

  • If you venture into Bleakcoast Cave, you will find inside some interesting things. The first is a frost troll; once you have found and killed the frost troll, nearby will be a skeleton hanging upside down from the ceiling with a sword on the ground. This is a reference to Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, in which Luke Skywalker finds himself trapped by a Wampa in a cave and uses the Force to reach for his lightsaber. A similar reference appeared in the Morrowind expansion Bloodmoon.

the link goes to: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Episode_V_The_Empire_Strikes_Back

it should instead go to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Empire_Strikes_Back

can anyone please change these links please?--— Unsigned comment by Jetcold0 (talk • contribs)

I can't see a reason to move from the already available links, as these provide access to the relevant content for the easter egg on the linked page (with the exception of Zelda - which is linked to on the already linked page but is better referenced here. Have you got a reason that all the links need to be changed to Wikipedia links as these only provide general information, I am going to add the additional Zelda link to the article unless anyone objects on the next few days however. Kiz(email - talk) 19:49, 7 November 2019 (GMT)

usep/wikipediaEdit

i am trying to make uesp more like wikipedia and less like wikia/fandom.

look i am trying to stay as far away from wikia/fandom as possible.

thats because uesp is a lot like wikipedia, only ecluseivy for the elder scrolls.

when i see wikia links, that makes no sense, wikia is an inferior version of wikipedia.

see my point?:

pages i want to see:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

pages i don't want to see:
https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page — Unsigned comment by Jetcold0 (talk • contribs) at 04:49 on 12 November 2019‎

While there are many who see Fandom as inferior in some way, and some even go so far as to incite a certain tribalism between us and ESWiki, we make it a point not to discriminate here. In point of fact, ESWiki has been known to make me realize that we're missing information, and need to add it, or that we should have a centralized page for something like they do, where we didn't before. It's not common, but it happens, and I'm sure other editors have had it happen from time to time as well. And absolutely, if a Fandom wiki has the information we need, and we don't feel it's appropriate for us to have our own version of that information, then we will happily link them. That doesn't, however, mean that we want to copycat them in terms of content or style. – Robin Hood  (talk) 06:32, 12 November 2019 (GMT)

How to Win Friends and Influence People questionEdit

what does it mean, is it avalable in the game?, can you only acess it through console comands?, can you only acess it through the creation kit?--Jetcold0 (talk) 22:05, 3 December 2019 (GMT)

The quest itself is available in-game, but as miscellaneous quests don't display their title, just their objectives, the actual title can never be seen without the use of the CK. -- SarthesArai Talk 11:51, 4 December 2019 (GMT)

How to Win Friends and Influence People updateEdit

here is what i want changed:

Uhm, what is the change? -- SarthesArai Talk 00:30, 30 December 2019 (GMT)
It's the addition of a link for Dale Carnegie... Kiz(email - talk) 00:31, 30 December 2019 (GMT)
Done. – Robin Hood  (talk) 01:02, 30 December 2019 (GMT)

Alice in WonderlandEdit

here is what i want changed now:

Same question again: where is the change? -- SarthesArai Talk 13:18, 10 January 2020 (GMT)
i want you to add Pelagius III by Sheogorath, since he was sitting across the table from him.--Jetcold0 (talk) 16:51, 10 January 2020 (GMT)
Done. Also, for future reference, you can find out what the change is by copy-pasting the text and using "Show changes". That said, it's also useful if the specific change is pointed out in the original request, so people don't have to do that. :) – Robin Hood  (talk) 19:28, 10 January 2020 (GMT)

here are the d&d podcasts skyrim was referenceingEdit

here are the d&d podcasts skyrim was referenceing:

Acquisitions Incorporated - Session 2 with Penny Arcade, PVP, and Wil Wheaton (Part 1): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/acquisitions-incorporated-session-2-penny-arcade-pvp/id1115818419?i=1000369006590

Acquisitions Incorporated - Session 2 with Penny Arcade, PVP, and Wil Wheaton (Part 2): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/acquisitions-incorporated-session-2-penny-arcade-pvp/id1115818419?i=1000369006588

Acquisitions Incorporated - Session 2 with Penny Arcade, PVP, and Wil Wheaton (Part 3): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/acquisitions-incorporated-session-2-penny-arcade-pvp/id1115818419?i=1000369006598

Acquisitions Incorporated - Session 2 with Penny Arcade, PVP, and Wil Wheaton (Part 4): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/acquisitions-incorporated-session-2-penny-arcade-pvp/id1115818419?i=1000369006600

Acquisitions Incorporated - Session 4 from PAX Prime 2010 D&D Game (Part 1): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/acquisitions-incorporated-session-4-from-pax-prime/id1115818419?i=1000369006375

Acquisitions Incorporated - Session 4 from PAX Prime 2010 D&D Game (Part 2): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/acquisitions-incorporated-session-4-from-pax-prime/id1115818419?i=1000369006592

Aiming for the Bucket link addEdit

  • A room in the main area of Fort Dunstad appears to be a latrine. In this room, on a stone shelf beside one of the "toilets" is a Potion of True Shot, a possible joke by the game's developers about aiming during urination.

i added a unination link to wikipedia, if that is okay.

The GooniesEdit

The skull in Blackbone Isle Grotto may be a reference to the film The Goonies, a pirate-themed film, in which the main characters pass through the mouth of a skull carved into a stone wall used as a tunnel system. --Rezalon (talk) 01:28, 1 February 2020 (GMT)

I figured it's just because it's in a pirate den. —Legoless (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2020 (GMT)
I think skull entrances are a common pirate theme. -- SarthesArai Talk 19:09, 20 February 2020 (GMT)

Reference to Army of DarknessEdit

The entire intro sequence to Skyrim could very well be a loose recreation of the intro to Army of Darkness:

  • The hero (Ash Williams/the Dragonborn) are captured, mistaken as traitors of their country., and lead to a nearby settlement to be executed.
  • The other captured traitors sympathise with the hero, knowing they were simply there at the wrong place, at the wrong time.
  • After the two opposing leaders briefly speak to each other(although Ulfric is gagged and Henry in AoD isn't), one of the traitors is executed.
  • One of the traitors (though in Skyrim, it's another poor man that got caught up in this mess at the wrong time) tries to flee his execution, but is swiftly shot to death by an arrow (Skyrim)/crossbow bolt (AoD).
  • The hero is incidentally saved from death by an outside force (Alduin/a wiseman with Ash's chainsaw).

--Rezalon (talk) 06:55, 1 March 2020 (GMT)

Sounds like the more likely reason is that this is a good (and sort of clichéd) way to set up a conflict in a story without a narrator. You are taken to be executed because it gets you dramatically involved in the conflict, you are innocent because you're the hero, there are other prisoners and the opposing leaders to give you the necessary exposition, side characters are killed to show the hero is in real danger, and you are narrowly saved because, well, otherwise the story would be over. --Ethruvisil (talk) 02:06, 3 March 2020 (GMT)

Azaran the Cruel reference from the Thief universeEdit

In Skyrim the Become Ethereal shout, references Azaran the Cruel from the Thief games universe in just name

This was my write-up for it before I noticed editing the page is restricted:

Azaran the CruelEdit

The Word Wall for the third word of the Become Ethereal shout "Gron" contains a passage in the Dragon language, which when translated mentions the name "Azaran the Cruel". Azaran the Cruel is a character from the Thief games universe, mentioned in the game Thief 2. This is likely an intended reference when considering that the Bethesda video game designer Emil Pagliarulo notably worked on the Thief games before joining Bethesda in 2002.

Awakened Surgebinder (talk) 10:39, 13 May 2020 (GMT)

Surprised this one hasn't been noticed before, seems like a direct reference. —Legoless (talk) 11:56, 14 May 2020 (GMT)
Very surprising. Obviously this should qualify. --Jimeee (talk) 12:04, 14 May 2020 (GMT)
I've added this to the page. —⁠Legoless (talk) 13:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Possible HP Lovecraft Reference in House of HorrorsEdit

One of the first of HP Lovecraft works that I read is a short story called "The Rats in The Walls" in which a young man inherits his family ancestral home and goes to live there. At night he hears what sounds like rats scratching and scurrying in the walls, and the sound seems to move down toward the cellar. One night he decides to investigate and follows the noise to the cellar, where he discovers a hidden passage that leads to a network of tunnels and ultimately a shrine or alter.

I noticed upon entering the House of Horrors that you periodically hear what sounds like skeevers squealing as you work your way to the basement, even though you never see one or have to fight one. I wonder if this is a reference to the Lovecraft story.

Immok the SlayerEdit

  • He is based on Erik West, who was known as "Immok the Slayer" on the forums and who died of cancer in May 2011.

This is a note from the Skyrim:Erik the Slayer page. It should be included under Easter eggs if true, so I'll go ahead and add it if no one objects. —⁠Legoless (talk) 18:14, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

We should go ahead and add it. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

god of warEdit

during one of the loading screens, they say "Orcs can use Berserk to do double damage while only taking half damage, for a short time" and it displays this picture:

 
look fimalliar?

this looks very similar to Kratos, from the God of War video game series. — Unsigned comment by Jetcold0 (talk • contribs) at 01:42 on 11 July 2020‎

There's a vague similarity, but without some other connection suggesting that it was an intentional reference, even that's likely a coincidence. There are several common archetypes for a berserk warrior, and I think that's all this is. – Robin Hood  (talk) 09:14, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
This definitely seems like a homage, way too many similarities: a bald man with a similar beard, dual-wielding large weapons covered in blood, the blood splatter evoking Kratos' paint, and so on. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

A New You AchievementEdit

The achievement "A New You" is given when you change your face at the face sculptor. This may be a reference to both the book and film "Logan's Run" where the protagonist goes to a face-altering shop called "The New You". 108.15.26.215 08:27, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

"New you" is a common phrase, I don't think it's a specific reference. —⁠Legoless (talk) 09:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Doing a customary search, I concur with Legoless that the phrase is just too common to easily be pinned to an individual source without further evidence. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 09:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Cut ContentEdit

I am requesting this addition since it is similar in theme to Online:Easter_Eggs#Cut_Content. The Gray Cowl Returns! creation mentions a family known as the Ice-Blades which obtained lands around the city of Jehanna. The plot is detailed in the fourth era section of the lore page, for any interested. The family name and the fact that the plot has them involved around the area of Jehanna is a reference to the original conception of Arena as a fighting game. Jehanna's gladiator team was to be called "The Iceblades". However, the game was changed to an RPG, and the gladiator teams never appeared in the game.Zebendal (talk) 22:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Wouldn't this belong more on the Historical References page? — Wolfborn(Howl) 01:53, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
This discussion has been moved to historical references.Zebendal (talk) 01:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

The Mourning BrideEdit

According to the Prima Guide the Whirlwind Sprint first word wall reads:

Nonvul Bron, dahmaan daar rok do fin Fodiiz Bormah – Oblivion loost nid Nah med spaan vahdin beyn.
Noble Nord, remember these words of the Hoar Father – Oblivion hath no Fury like a shield maiden scorned.

This is a clear reference to the (mis)quote "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." from The Mourning Bride.

Woops nevermind its already on the page The Rim of the Sky (talk) 21:21, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Tooth and ClawEdit

Naaslaarum and Voslaarum's names translate to "Tooth Water Twin" and "Claw Water Twin" respectively. This could reference the novel Tooth and Claw, a story about dragons exploring hierarchy. One theme in the book is that dragons will devour each other, thereby growing stronger, which is also similar to dragons/dragonborns absorbing dragon souls from their fallen opponents to gain power. The two dragons are found together in Frozen Lake, so their names are for sure linked. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 03:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

The synopsis there did not provide enough information. Does the story feature dragon siblings named Tooth and Claw? If so, I would support this. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 18:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Red Eagle is a reference to the Red Eagle Corporation ltdEdit

The name of Red Eagle was inspired by Red Eagle Corporation ltd and the court case related to it, Red Eagle Corporation Limited v Richard John Otley Ellis. The book "The Legend of Red Eagle" makes this rather clear.

  • Both Faolan and the Corporation feel how they were robbed, by the southern Ms. Hestra (whose name is a subtle reference to Mr. Herzog, one of the appellants) and the northern Mr. Ellis, respectively. Why the north-south inversion happened, I do not know. Perhaps the upside-down Oceania stereotypes?
  • Mr. Faolan's name itself is a reference to Mr. Falkenstein. Mr. Faolan was also said to be born in the Sundered Hills of the Reach, a region located by the Hold of Falkreath, another reference to Mr. Falkenstein's name.
  • Mr. Faolan gathered his armies and allies for war and conquest similar to how Mr. Falkenstein gathered partners for trade and profit.
  • Mr. Faolan's eyes turned into "black opals reflecting a mind not entirely his own" as a nod to Ms. Black's involvement in the court case, with both the Reach witches and Ms. Black acting as malicious agents.
  • Mr. Faolan's oath to fight on at the end of the book reflects Mr. Falkenstein's persistence in appealing the case all the way to the Supreme Court.

Therefore, we can conclude that the story of Red Eagle was inspired by the court case. Some might try to argue that there's no way that some random NZSC case has the cultural significance needed to be referred to by Bethesda — to that I could point out that the NZSC only hears about two cases a month, meaning that each case is a Big Deal. ErfXploded(talk) 13:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Based on the above, this is very clearly not a reference. —⁠Legoless (talk) 17:07, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

assassins creed easter eggEdit

At bards leap redoubt there is a spot were if you jump an assassin will appear.

Dragonplate ArmorEdit

The bands on the Dragonplate Armor spell out "JONAHLOBE" in the Dragon Alphabet. Jonah Lobe was the artist who modeled/textured the armor. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 01:38, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Yup, this is a confirmed in-joke. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

LoTR ReferenceEdit

I can't believe this isn't already up here but...Whiterun is Edoras. Consider the following: (1) The general layout & architectural style of the city are pretty similar (especially compared to the film version). (2) The location of the city (on a hill surrounded by a grassy plain, just to the north of an east-west mountain range). (3) The symbol of Whiterun is a horse's head. This is particularly significant when you consider that (unlike most of the other Holds) there's no in-game explanation for the choice of heraldry. Draugluin (talk) 11:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I believe Bethesda outright said in a couple places that Whiterun is based off of Edoras. We should try documenting the sources since its a very obvious homage. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

The Wizard of Oz reference?Edit

The roads in BlackReach are made of yellow brick. — Unsigned comment by AnyDee (talk • contribs) at 13:00 on 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Honestly, possibly. The journey to the Tower of Mzark to get an Elder Scroll and go back to the surface does seem similar to Scarecrow & Dorothy's quest to get a diploma and go home to Kansas. Even Septimus' quest takes you to Blackreach so he can access what he thinks is the Heart of Lorkhan is similar to Tin Man's quest to find a heart. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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