User talk:Alphabetface/ArchiveA

WelcomeEdit

Hello Alphabetface! Welcome to UESPWiki. It's always good to have new members. If you would like to help improve any of our pages, you may want to take a look at the following links:

• Policies and Guidelines: UESPWiki standards and expectations
• Quick Editing Guide: a quick guide to wiki markup
• Getting Started: how you can help

If you, on the other hand, would like to spice up your userpage, take a look at this link:

• Userboxes: near complete list of userboxes, including a guide to make your own

When you're editing, it's always a good idea to leave edit summaries to explain the changes you have made to a particular page, and remember to sign your talk page posts with four tildes ~~~~. Also, the "show preview" button is a great way to view the changes you've made so far without actually saving the page (our patrollers really appreciate it!).

Feel free to practice editing in the sandbox or discuss the games in the forums. If you need any help, don't hesitate to contact one of our mentors. Have fun!

On a side note, I've replied to the message you left on my talk page - apologies for the slow reply! Kitkat ^{•Talk•Contrib•E-mail} 22:29, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Welcoming EditorsEdit

To answer your implied question on Tockenen's talk page, the easiest way to welcome new editors is to just look at their User Contributions, then down at the bottom, there will be a "Welcome editor" button that you can click on (at least there will if the user has an account). Click on that, add a Subject line like "Welcome", then save the page.

The other way of doing it, which offers several pre-defined messages similar to the Show Preview message you left, is to go to the Messages page. There's a list of messages and warnings there—all you do is enter the user's name in the appropriate box (after the "User talk:" part) and click the button. Like the above Welcome method, you have to add a subject line yourself and then save. – Robin Hood↝talk 21:00, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! I didn't really know if it was appropriate for me to be adding something like that to someone else's page since I'm a pretty inexperienced editor myself, but I noticed no one else had said anything and thought someone should. I'll keep these links in mind for next time, if I end up doing anything like that again. Thanks again! Alphabetface 21:03, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Stick around long enough, and I can pretty much guarantee you'll end up doing something like that again. :) And even if you're inexperienced, if you know something's a concern, you should feel free to do something about it. We appreciate the help. – Robin Hood↝talk 22:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

UserboxEdit

I saw your tak on rpeh's page, and to make the image smaller change it to
{{Userbox|#006400|#FFFFFF|[[Image:Flag Mexico.png|45px]]|info-fc=#006400|This user is proud to be Mexican.}}

Adding |45px after the image name will recalse it to the resolution you want, for userboxes this happens to be 45px. The resulting userbox looks like this:

This user is proud to be Mexican.

Any other questions I can help you with? ES^{Question?•Email•Contribs} 04:19, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I just spent the last... I dunno how long, I have no sense of time, haha... but a long time figuring it out on my own. I finally got it, but thank you! Alphabetface 04:21, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I notice you're trying to use custom colours. If you wanted the colours that are currently on your page to override the Userbox, you can use: {{User Mexican|text= This user is proud to be '''Mexican'''.|info-c=#000000|info-fc=#006400}}. – Robin Hood↝talk 05:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew I wasn't quite doing it right. I liked it the way it was on my previous edit, but I couldn't figure out how to make it look that way after the Mexico userbox was added to the page with all the Nationality userboxes. Oh well. I'm gonna leave it alone for a while. Thank you, though!. :) Alphabetface 15:07, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, if you need a hand, just leave me a message on my talk page. There's nothing saying you can't revert to using a custom userbox if that gives you the look you want. :) – Robin Hood↝talk 21:38, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I thought about reverting, but then I wouldn't be on the Users from Mexico page, and I'd rather be there than have it look just right. I don't really know what I'm doing, I'm just learning by playing around, mostly using copy/paste a lot. Alphabetface 23:52, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

All you have to do to add yourself to that category is to do what you just did, albeit accidentally. :) (To link to a category rather than adding a page to the category, you need to add a colon in front of it.) If you add [[Category:Users from Mexico]] to your user page, you will be shown there. The only downside to that is that if, by some chance, we change the category or remove it, you would have to change yours by hand rather than having it be updated automatically. The chances of that are pretty slim, though, so I wouldn't worry about it. Oh and as for learning by copying and pasting, I think that's what we all did at first. :) – Robin Hood↝talk 00:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

(←) Adding myself to the Users from Mexico page that way was completely what I wanted to do, thank you! I am happy to say I won't be messing with my userboxes anymore. I went back to the other way I had the Mexico userbox, and combined two race userboxes into one. Now I won't need to mess with my userpage at all for a while. :) Thanks for the help! -Alphabetface 04:01, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

No problem, glad to hear you've got what you wanted now. – Robin Hood↝talk 04:23, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Good morningEdit

Have you been up all night?? SkoomaManiac 15:00, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

haha, I have recently gone on maternity leave and am now home with much more free time than before. I have lots of trouble sleeping now, and spend much of my time here. :) I did actually sleep, though it was only a few hours. Alphabetface 15:05, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I went to sleep at 1:30 EST and woke up at 8 and you were still making edits. Boy or girl?SkoomaManiac 15:19, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

It's a mystery. We won't find out until after the birth. And it looks like I was off the site for a whole six hours between edits, haha.Alphabetface 15:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations! Also, keep up the great work that you've been doing. Thuraya Salaris 15:20, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

(←) Thanks. I don't know how much I'll be able to do after baby's born, but I'll do what I can while I can. :) Alphabetface 15:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the inputEdit

Right, I apologize for the frequent edits. It's a coding style I've picked up in college, putting down the minimum first before updating with the details and comments. This was my first post on a Wiki and I know I went a bit crazy, I'll be more organized in the future. Thank you for letting me know, and welcoming me to the site.

As for the bolding, I will review the style guide but I do think it's important that it stays that way. The sentence in bold redefines the entire page, and will be important information for anybody looking up this topic. Having it be at the end in bold is the best way to offer insight to the people who need it.

(feel free to delete this when you're done reading it)

(Tryptic 20:19, 5 February 2012 (UTC))

No need to apologize, I just noticed the many edits to one page and thought I'd say something since no one else had yet. I'm fairly inexperienced with editing here myself, just trying to help. Anyway, I mention the bolding issue only because I saw that it was changed, and then changed back again. The editor who removed the bolding started a discussion about it here, and I personally agree with them, though I didn't find it enough of an issue to edit it out myself. I just thought I'd point you toward the guideline page in case you hadn't seen it-- how you interpret it is up to you. :) Alphabetface 21:14, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Useful Contributions; AppreciatedEdit

Hi. I have noticed several of your contributions lately that I think are useful. Thanks! --Jreynolds2^{Talk E-mail} 03:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Word. Seriously, you should consider becoming at least a Userspace Patroller. I realize you might be worked about having less time to contribute after the baby, but you really should consider it. It'd be a good fit and your edits are excellent.—SkoomaManiac 03:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. Honestly, I just can't stand being confined to my house all day with nothing to do but make myself more anxious about the coming changes in my life, so I'm spending a ridiculous amount of time here to occupy my mind. It's turning into an addiction, really. And Skooma, while I do love this site and community, I don't think I'll have the time to be so active here in the near future. So being a patroller probably wouldn't benefit the community much. But thanks for the thought. :) Alphabetface 04:55, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I can sympathize with being confined to the house all day and having to find things to do...though if you're talking about the upcoming change I think you are, I will never have that problem! :) – Robin Hood↝talk 06:21, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I feel lucky knowing it's a much more temporary situation for me. And if you're biologically male, it would be miraculous if you did! (BTW, the link on your page to your experience with CFS doesn't work... tried being nosy earlier in the week and noticed.) -Alphabetface 06:28, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Try again now. For some reason, permissions had reverted back to Friends only, but I know it used to be Public. I've made it Public once again, so I think at least all FB users can access it, maybe anyone at all. – Robin Hood↝talk 06:49, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

(←) Without taking away anything from what I've just said, and Skooma's comment, I personally feel a little uncomfortable with the edit here: [1]. I do not mean to criticize you, and I understand your reason for doing it. Also, I do not know enough to say what is the "best" thing to do in this situation, but since more experienced people like Robin Hood and SkoomaManiac are talking to you, maybe they will have a useful comment. My personal feeling is that the person who wrote that should be encouraged to share their thoughts and knowledge on the site, and that simply deleting what they want to contribute might feel discouraging. If the information or experience does not belong as a note on the quest page, it might be better to also guide the contributor to a way or a place that is appropriate for him or her to share what he or she thinks is interesting or fun. Maybe it is on the talk page for the quest, maybe it is in the forum, etc. Does my comment make sense to you? (I really also do not want to discourage YOU from continuing to help improve the site, and I hope that my thought does not feel bad to you in any way. Maybe Robin Hood, SkoomaManiac, or someone else will tell me that I could have made THIS comment in a better way--or that I didn't need to make it at all!) --Jreynolds2^{Talk E-mail} 04:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

She was correct in removing it. It was grammatically very bad, entirely irrelevant, and more than a little rambly. If the editor in question had an account, she could have (and would have) welcomed them, but since we generally do not welcome new IPs, there wasn't much she could do. Furthermore, it'd be best to put a conversation like this in a new section. Thanks for your interest, though! It's good to have editors checking us! —SkoomaManiac 04:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Your reply makes sense. Now I have learned some things. Go, Alphabetface, go! --Jreynolds2^{Talk E-mail} 04:43, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, Jrey. I'll try to provide more details in my edit summaries with things like that in the future. And why would I take offense from your input? I will gladly welcome any sort of contributions to this site with the goal of improvement in mind. That's especially true for my own edits, as I don't ever want to come off as an unfriendly, arrogant, or jerkface editor... or any combination of those. ;) Your feedback is appreciated. :) -Alphabetface 04:55, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Items Not Listed AnywhereEdit

Hey, I saw you ask RobinHood70 and Krusty about this. Skyrim:Quest Items has been a bit of a pet project of mine, so I'll try to answer your questions.

To get the IDs, you need to be playing on the PC. Through the console (press ~), type: (replacing item with Finn's Lute, Pantea's Flute, and Rjorn's Drum)

help <item> 0

I'd do it myself, but I play on the 360. I'll go ahead and add the items without their IDs. Add them yourself if you get them, or message me and I'll do it for you. ?• JA^Talk 07:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

If it's just the IDs you need, but me when you're done. They should be in the CS List, but if they're not, I'll grab them from the CK. – Robin Hood↝talk 07:13, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, that all sounded good, but if I'm understanding the CK correctly (which is hardly guaranteed, since I haven't had time to watch the tutorials yet), it's actually dynamically creating these items as the quest runs. Finn's Lute is just a standard Lute renamed, and the same goes for Pantea's Flute and Rjorn's Drum. I have absolutely no idea what the best way of handling that is.

Jak: This is more your area of expertise. Do we have any other items that are similarly without specific IDs? – Robin Hood↝talk 07:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

That sounds a bit strange. I can't use the CK (stuck on 360, meh) so I couldn't really help you there. All I can think is to try finding the item through the in-game console, since that method is already proven. Try it there and see what you get. ?• JA^Talk 07:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for finding this stuff out for me. The "renaming" thing actually applies to another item in-game, Mammoth Snout (called Fresh Meat if given by Lod during Speak to Lod). The way that was handled was linking to the Mammoth Snout normally, but adding a note in the notes column. I'm really not sure I know what I'm doing enough to do the links with anchors correctly (I've tried looking at the Help page about it, but for some reason just don't get it well enough to make it work) but I guess I'll play around and see what I can do. There is a difference between those two situations though-- the fresh meat is not considered a quest item (you can eat, drop, or sell it, give it to your follower, it does has weight, etc.) but the lute, drum, and flute are all actually considered quest items (or at least appear to be-- they cannot be removed from inventory, and I don't believe they have weight, though I'm not sure about that second part). So, another question would be, can it be added to the Quest Items page even though the entry would also/already be in the 'Clutter' section of the Miscellaneous Items page with regular musical instruments? Alphabetface 15:38, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

You can look at Skyrim:Quest_Items#Aela's Shield for an example how it was done before. I guess we will need to find out if that's the way we want to do it, there are several renamed items in the game.--Alfwyn 15:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I just did something very basic here for now, but what you linked to is definitely the better way to do it. I'm not sure if I'll be able to do it correctly, but I'll play around with it to see if I can figure it out. Maybe a more experienced editor will beat me to it, or do it better. I'm not very good at this kind of thing yet, so we'll see. Alphabetface 15:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm in the process of trying to figure it out. It might take me longer than it would take some of you, since I'm basically figuring it out as I go, but I think I'm getting somewhere. Thanks for all the help! Alphabetface 16:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

(←) Okay! I think I got the entries right in the Other section of the Quest Item page. Now comes the part I get confused with-- linking to that entry from another page. There's an additional issue here, because the quests associated with these items have the same names. So should the Skyrim:Pantea's_Flute page be renamed "Pantea's Flute (quest)" or something? And then "Pantea's Flute (item)" would lead to that entry in the Other Quest Item table? I really get unsure of what I'm doing here when it comes to this sort of thing. Alphabetface 16:24, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

If there's only one other page, usually a disambiguation isn't necessary unless linking to one or the other would be confusing. What I would do in this case is create the "(item") pages, then just link to them from the quest pages. I think we sometimes add a "For the item, click here" sort of message, but I can't come up with anything that has that kind of message off the top of my head, so just leave that off for now and we can add one later on if we need it. And linking to that entry is done the same way you added the Other link above...just put a # and then the item name. – Robin Hood↝talk 18:42, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I keep messing with it and can't get it right. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but the links I keep trying to create won't take you to the appropriate row in the table (they either link to the top of the page, or to the section of the page, but not the specific row the item is in). I tried doing it a bunch of different ways, using the 'Show preview' button to check if the link works correctly. It never did, so I officially bow my head in defeat. Help! Alphabetface 21:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Some browsers jump before the page is fully rendered, which can make it that much harder to be sure you're doing it right. :) Here's an example (and it's tested, so I know it works): Skyrim:Quest Items#Pantea's Flute. – Robin Hood↝talk 22:01, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks so much for the help. Alphabetface 04:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

HiEdit

HI, RIM here. I just wanted to say excellent work over the last few weeks! I was also wondering if you could help me in adding dialogue to NPC pages. You don't have to add it yourself, just if you come across any NPC pages that don't have any dialogue let me know on my user page and I will add it. I added a notice on my userpage but nobody seemed to notice:( Thanks and keep up the good work! RIM 20:49, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. And yeah, I will add NPCs that need dialogue on their pages to one of my post-its here, then post them to your page when I've got a few on the list. I've been working on some things with NPCs myself, so it shouldn't be too hard to make note of it as I go. :) Alphabetface 20:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, that would help so much:) Just add them when you can, there is no hurry or anything. RIM 20:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten about this, but during the last week I somehow lost my post-its (I'm guessing it had to do with allowing other people to use my computer... grr) so I'll start a new list and get names to you when I've got a few. Sorry! Alphabetface 05:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

HiyaEdit

Hiya. Thanks for the info! King Mango

It's no problem, I know all those links helped me when I first started out so I was just trying to pay it forward. :) Alphabetface 13:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Borrowing :DEdit

Hey I'm gonna borrow your coding for your userpage. I've been trying to get mine right for weeks and yours is exactly what I've been trying to do. So hope you don't mind. Lord Eydvar 07:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

It's no problem at all! I actually just stole bits and pieces from various other users to make it how I wanted, which is probably done by many people on here daily. :) And thanks for replying to my post on the AN, my brain hasn't been working so well in the last few weeks so I'm making all sorts of silly mistakes and missing things left and right, haha. Alphabetface 07:20, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I'd been piecing mine but yours was the best and closest so yays for "borrowing" :D AN??? Lord Eydvar 07:25, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

AN=Administrator Noticeboard, thanks for ruining my laziness by forcing me to type it out :P Alphabetface 07:27, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

(←)  :P Lord Eydvar 07:32, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, "borrowing" each others' page designs happens a lot around most wikis. There are a number of nice ones around UESP. – Robin Hood↝talk 07:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey Robin Hood how do you add the talk link to ur signature? Lord Eydvar 08:03, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

If all you want to do is something simple, just go into your preferences and add whatever wiki code you want in your signature (e.g., [[User:Lord Eydvar|Lord Eydvar]]^{[[User talk:Lord Eydvar|Talk]]}) and make sure the checkbox below that, "Treat the above as wiki markup", is checked. There's a character limit for that of 255 characters. For more complex signatures, you can create a subpage in your user space (e.g., mine) and format it to your heart's content there, then use {{subst:User:Lord Eydvar/sig}} (or whatever you named your page) as your signature in your preferences, and again, make sure the checkbox is checked. Either way, don't make your signature too long, because people start to complain when your signature is longer than most of your messages. ;) – Robin Hood↝talk 08:25, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

(←) Thank You! Sorry for hijacking your talk page ABCface. Lord Eydvar^Talk 08:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

No problem :) Alphabetface 09:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the WelcomeEdit

I'm brand new at contributing and just saw your welcome message. I wasn't exactly sure how to get started and was glad to see it. I found the UESP not long after I started playing Skyrim. My husband and I bought prior to release date (to get the deal) and I have over 700 playing hours between 3 characters (needless to say I'm addicted). I rely on UESP to get me past the glitched quests.

Please let me know if you have any feedback on my contributions. I'd love to learn.

P.S. I was intimidated to make a user page and hope the link helps me - I may end up borrowing your code.Maeve 02:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I just happened to notice your conversation over on Jak's talk page, so I got nosy, then saw that you hadn't gotten a welcome message yet. I found those links to be pretty useful when I first started editing, so hopefully you will too. Don't be shy about contributing, and ask for help if you need it. There are plenty of friendly, helpful people in the UESP community, and the mentor page lists users who are great at answering any questions you may have.

Also, I noticed you keep signing your name as 'Maeve' even though your username is Smithmon4444. If you'd like, you can customize your signature in your preferences (top right of page when you're logged in). That way your 'nickname' will still link back to the page for your username, like this: Maeve. Just an idea, in case you didn't know you could do that. :) Alphabetface 04:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I want to do just that and did not know how. I have the box check in "my preferences" that signs with Maeve - that's my handle. I'll try it out tomorrow (it's a bit late for me). I just finished my user page and borrowed your code for the boxes. Thanks for your help. Here is a "cookie" for you! (Not sure how to give one or who can give them.) I appreciate you "getting nosy" - it's helpful. Please check out my user page. Maeve 05:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Yay - I did it! Maeve 05:29, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

HeyaEdit

I am most definitely, painfully alive. My girlfriend brokenup with me about when my edits started to drop off. There's a lot of drama going on as far as that goes (not even with her, funnily enough), and my home life is very difficult because of it. But I hope to be back editing shortly. I'm so happy someone checked in with me. You absolutely made my evening. Thanks, Alphabetface! —SkoomaManiac 23:06, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I saw your edit about that when you posted it before, and I'm sorry you're having a hard time. Drama's never fun. Hang in there, things will get better— and I hope they get better quickly for ya. I don't miss high school (or high school relationships) at all! Alphabetface 03:38, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

PatrollershipEdit

I know, I know, you're editing one-handed because you've got a baby in the other arm. That still doesn't detract from the fact that you've been making numerous edits every day, and so far as I've seen, none of them need patrolling any more than any other Patroller does. So can you please run for Patroller? Even if you decide you can't give time to the wiki for a while due to munchkin issues, that's not really a big deal—we don't have any kind of minimum requirement or anything, and even if you do no patrolling at all, at least your edits won't need to be adding to the ones that need patrolled. If you're uncomfortable nominating yourself, just let me know and I'll be happy to nominate you instead. And if you still don't wanna go for it, I'll ask you again every day till you say "yes" that's fine too. – Robin Hood↝talk 04:15, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

LOL... honestly, I love the idea, I'm just scared that I'll suddenly have the need to become incredibly inactive abruptly and feel bad for deciding to go for it. But as long as everyone's aware of the fact that my activity may not continue to stay so regular for any known amount of time, I guess it's all good. I give in. Alphabetface 04:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

(PS: the "R" key on my keyboard has now fallen off, and I can't replace it. So any of my posts which include the letter R might need to be patrolled from now on.) Alphabetface 04:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Just kidding. Well, it's true that it fell off, but just kidding about the rest. ;) Alphabetface 04:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I was considering nominating you for patroller, but I think it might be better if you take the userpatroller role on for a little bit (a few weeks). I'd probably oppose the nomination if were to take place today. If you want, you can just ask an administrator to give you the rights. elliot (talk) 04:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you did leave for a long time just after becoming a Patroller, you'd be about par for the course, actually. It seems to be UESP's curse that every time someone becomes a Patroller, something takes them away from it. So don't worry about that at all! :D

To elliot's point, I don't really see Userpatroller as being a required step on the way to Patroller, but perhaps more to the point, most of User space is already being quite well patrolled anyway, so it may not really make much difference other than not having to patrol any edits you make to User/User talk pages. – Robin Hood↝talk 04:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I try to avoid User and Usertalk pages as much as possible. But if that's a preferred route, that's fine with me too. Alphabetface 04:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

It's not to get things patrolled. The point is to let her get used to the tools and tricks for awhile, and to practice patroller the gamespace. It's just a warming period. elliot (talk) 04:44, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Jumping in, here (probably where I don't belong), Userpatroller is not a particularly exciting or fulfilling job, and aside from a lower pressure way of getting used to the little red exclamation points and the "Mark as patrolled" button, I can see no real benefit to it, especially for someone who has mastered using the wiki so quickly. I trust you to make good decisions. After reading the edit conflict I can see that that was exactly Elliot's point. Do as you wish. You have my support either way.—SkoomaManiac 04:48, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

While I'll admit I'm not that familiar with your contributions, you do seem to meet the requirements for both positions. However, since you've said you were a bit nervous, it might be best if you try them out first as a userpatroller. If you want to, just ask and I'll add you to the userpatroller group. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 04:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I guess if it's that easy to add me as a Userpatroller, would you go ahead and do that? I'm working on something in particular at the moment, but when I'm done I'll get to trying to get a feel for the new tools and whatnot. Then, after a couple weeks (or however long), RH can go ahead and nominate me for regular Patrollership if he still feels like it. Alphabetface 04:58, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay, well, it looks like it's been decided while I was busy patrolling. :) We're sort of hitting a second crunch because of the change in rules as of March 1, which is why I'm starting to approach people, but we've got a bit of a buffer, and if worse comes to worst, it's not the end of the world if little red exclamation marks fall off the Recent Changes list...we'll catch anything horrendously wrong eventually. :) – Robin Hood↝talk 06:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!Edit

You are now officially a Userspace Patroller! Go forth, and conquer the userspace pages ~ Dwarfmp 17:48, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Congrats! Enjoy the exclamation marks! Kitkat ^{•Talk•Contrib•E-mail} 17:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

What they said. :) Look forward to having you as a full Patroller shortly, I hope. – Robin Hood↝talk 23:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations! Maybe Robin Hood will finally drag you over to the dark side... :)

Enjoy the UserPatrollership! --Velyanthe 23:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks all :) Alphabetface 13:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm officially taking up RobinHood's cause here - we need you as a full patroller, ASAP! :D Kitkat ^{•Talk•Contrib•E-mail} 13:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

ThanksEdit

I couldn't decide what to do with this edit and looking back at it today, I see that I goofed in any event. It looks like you took more time to deal with not only that edit, but the whole rest of the page, so thanks on both counts! – Robin Hood↝talk 00:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

It's no problem. I find that when I'm stuck in one spot with one arm completely asleep and I'm bored but too tired to do anything that takes real effort, fixing talk pages is the best thing to occupy my time. That way I feel like I'm being somewhat productive, but without really thinking too much— just lots of jumping between tabs, and using copy/paste. There are many times when fixing talk pages that I'm unsure of what the best way to a handle a situation is (such as the one you pointed out) since editing other user's posts is a touchy issue, but I try to stay within the guidelines as best as I can. Some of those pages are much worse than others, and I've been trying to tackle the really bad ones any time I get the opportunity. In any case, I'm glad you weren't offended by me basically undoing your edit there, I just figured since there were other replies to that subsection already I'd just make it its own. Alphabetface 02:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

SignatureEdit

Your current signature does not lead you to your userpage, I don't know if this is intentional. But [[User:Alphabetface|<font color="Teal">ABCface</font>]]^{[[User_talk:Alphabetface|<font color="Teal">◥</font>]]} Is probably what you want to use, unless you register the account ABCface and make it user and talk pages redirects? --kiz ^talk_email 18:28, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Oops! Thank you so much for pointing that out! I'll fix it right away. ABCface^◥ 18:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!Edit

Hi Alphabetface! I just wanted to say thanks for all the awesome little things you've been doing. I love when people do such a great job that I just know I can patrol whatever they've done ;). If you ever decide you want to be a full Patroller, I'd nominate you in a heartbeat! –Eshe^talk 14:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I've become completely addicted to this site since creating an account, haha. I think I'm gonna wait another week or so before trying for full Patrollership though, since others suggested I try out being a Userpatroller for a while first. ABCface^◥ 15:17, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

BirthdayEdit

Happy B-day, and congrats on virtually becoming a patroller. 93.138.245.30 11:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Seconded! Have a great day! Wolok gro-Barok 13:20, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Face! May I call you Face? Okay, good :). Have an awesome day! –Eshe^talk 13:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy, happy birthday! And congrats on the absolute whitewash of support votes - a tonne of red exclamation marks can be your pressie! :P Kitkat ^{•Talk•Contrib•E-mail} 13:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy Birthday! – Robin Hood↝talk 14:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy Birthday ;) Good work on the wiki, keep it up! ~ Dwarfmp 15:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

(←) Thanks all. :) ABCface^◥ 17:49, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy birthday from me as well :) --Velyanthe 20:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

And a Happy Birthday from me. The Silencer has spoken 20:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy birthday! <Insert witty phrase or clever pun here> • JA^Talk 20:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy birthday! i hope you have a great day, like most people on here, they normally edit on their birthdays... or maybe that was only me :) Helenaannevalentine 22:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

(←) Thanks everyone! And Helena, I'm enough of an addict to edit on my birthday for sure, haha. You're definitely not the only one! :) ABCface^◥ 01:14, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realise it was your birthday or you had run for patrollership but I would have supported you if I had noticed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Anyway happy birthday! RIM 09:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdolEl73xIk&list=FLekhqkmK3p4tziR8F6zXs-Q&index=53&feature=plpp_video

Happy Birthday... ThuumofReason 11:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, guys! :) ABCface^◥ 04:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Patroller NominationEdit

Can you formally accept your nomination on the Nominations page, please. Once you do, an Admin can give you Patroller rights. – Robin Hood↝talk 15:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't realize I was supposed to do that. Sorry! ABCface^◥ 17:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Consider yourself promoted! Congrats and welcome to the team :). eshe^talk 18:05, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy Birthday...again! :P You may now enjoy your birthday present of tons of edits with little red exclamation marks that demand that you do "just one more". Yeah, I know, you already had them as a User Patroller, but now there's just that many more you can get rid of...lucky you! Okay, but seriously, congrats! – Robin Hood↝talk 18:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion!! —SkoomaManiac ^{Talk ♫ Contribs} 00:38, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I look forward to diving into it in a little while. :) ABCface^◥ 01:15, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

NPC classEdit

I noticed that you changed the primary skills I entered for Vighar. I had entered those based on what I had found were his highest level skills by using "getav" from the console, and you changed it based on his class. This leads to two questions:

1. How do you determine a NPCs class?

2. Are a NPCs primary skills supposed to be based solely on his/her class?

I ask because I have no idea.

Thanks in advance for your help. --Xyzzy 13:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the NPC that triggered this question is possibly one of the most confusing NPCs in the game when it comes to the underlying Creation Kit data -- although in part that's why the page hadn't been automatically filled in.

Getting skill information from in-game is in some ways the most correct -- it bypasses any guesswork/math from the CK data. The problem, though, with in-game data is that reflects a single instance of that NPC. In this case, the NPC is level-dependent (with a different version appearing at each of seven different level cutpoints), and on top of that, at each level cutpoint there are four possible variants, with the one that appears being randomly selected. So while your information is 100% accurate for your game, it can be completely wrong for another player. For example, it would be bad for a level-10 character to assume that he has no chance of defeating Vighar because the page says his health is 968 -- whereas that character would encounter a version of Vighar whose health might be closer to 200.

Which is why we tend to use CK data more than in-game data. It allows to see what is really determining the stats, and figure out which information is fixed and which info is variable. In the case specifically of skill and class, in maybe 90% of the cases, the skills are directly determined by the class. Most of the remaining cases have skills that are indirectly set by the class, and then a few remaining cases where the developers have manually set the skills ignoring the class. So most of the time, looking at the class tells you the skills, but it's not always reliable.

For the majority of NPCs on this site, the class has already been automatically filled in from the game data, so that's the easiest way to get the class. And the Skyrim:Classes page then lists the skills associated with each class.

However, to get to the source of the information, the Creation Kit is the standard place to go. Alternatively, CSList is an online tool that shows you most of the CK data. Digging through the CK data, though, is a real pain for Vighar. You can start with his basic NPC data (which already is difficult, because you can't just look up Vighar's name). That's where the bad info about Warrior class came from. However, in his case the class is overridden by a template, listed towards the bottom of the page as LvlVampireBoss. Following the template it leads to a leveled list -- which is why his info is level dependent. At high levels there are then four possible sub-templates. Looking at any of them, for example, EncVampire06BossBretonM shows you that the class is vampire -- and also shows you the skills that have already been calculated based on that class and race. That's just one of the 28 possibilities.

That's my best attempt to quickly explain what's going on. However, it's obviously glossing over vast amounts of explanations and details. And we haven't even fully worked out some of the details (such as what exactly is the equation that is used to take a list of a class's preferred skills and convert that into the exact skill numbers for a given NPC at a given level). --Nephele^Talk 16:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing this up, Nephele. Xyzzy, I saw that the bot had entered the class information in, so I assumed it was correct, and filled the primary skill details in according to that—which is how the primary skills for most NPCs are determined. I didn't realize that Vighar was such a special case, however, so your edit was actually more correct than mine. Thanks for bringing this up here, since it prompted Nephele to fix it, and sorry for any confusion I caused. :) ABCface^◥ 20:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all. I had no idea how any of this worked, and wanted to find out. It appears that, until I have more knowledge about game mechanics, I need to hold off on filling in any NPC skill/level/health etc info on the main article page. Is it useful for me to record in-game NPC stats somewhere? --Xyzzy 21:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm still learning a lot of this myself, so I'm probably not the best person to ask. Generally, your edits that I've seen are correct and helpful, so don't hesitate to add something if you think it's right. The whole point of the wiki community is that other users will come along and edit anything that needs to be improved. Since I don't have the magical console access that you PC users have ( :P ), I'm stuck with using the CSList which is still very confusing to me. So I really don't know how your way of determining that information works, or how accurate it is. If you check the mentors page, or ask in IRC, you may get some more helpful feedback. Sorry I can't give you much more than that— I am learning new things about using the wiki on a daily basis, and still ask more experienced editors for help regularly. ABCface^◥ 21:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

A treasured contributionEdit

When you are tweaking you may want to move the 'notes' about skill books and such to the summary box with the addition of |treasure=, Nephele started doing this and I just followed suit. An example may be seen on Stony Creek Cave. The Silencer has spoken^Talk 01:06, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I actually wanted to start doing this before, but I brought it up in the IRC and others seemed to want to keep the 'Notable Loot' sections in place, so instead of moving them from their own section into the Place Summary, I've just been fixing grammar/formatting of what's already in place. I didn't realize Nephele was the one that started doing that (I actually saw you do that, which is when I thought hey, that's a good idea!) so I guess if that's the direction we're going, I'll keep that in mind from now on. Thanks! ABCface^◥ 02:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

And as long as the where to find is in the description of the place [Edit] I really shouldn't edit 5minutes before going to work. Imagine me telling you what to look for. The Silencer has spoken^Talk 07:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC) & 18:28, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

haha, it's all good, don't worry about it :) ABCface^◥ 21:44, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Top 50Edit

Felicidades por su infiltración exitosa de los usuarios activos en el top 50. The Silencer has spoken^Talk 17:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL, I haven't looked at that list in a while, but thanks for pointing out how bad my addiction is :P ABCface^◥ 21:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Pretenden reunirse con usted próximamente. Hoola aros. The Silencer has spoken^Talk 21:48, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2) While I can understand the Spanish (without having to use Google Translate), I don't actually speak it, so I won't embarrass myself by trying. :) Now comes the fun part...checking it regularly to see who you've overtaken. Of course, once you hit the Top 20, that gets a lot more boring, cuz you only need to check about once every month or twelve. :P Still, welcome to the club. Every time someone joins it, it get a little bit harder, and it's definitely an achievement at this point. – Robin Hood↝talk 21:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

You're definitely on your way up there, TS, that's for sure. And yeah, RH, I used to check it (probably when I was about where TS is now, actually), but kind of forgot about it after a while. Oh, and as for the Spanish, you probably wouldn't embarrass yourself that much when it comes to spelling and whatnot, 'cause I'm way better with speaking it than reading/writing it. ABCface^◥ 22:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I took a few lessons, but dropped out of the course (ser, estar, what?!? I'm so confused!), and I can figure out a lot from knowing English and French, but being able to understand what you're reading and being able to actually turn around and write it are two very different things! :) Oh and even with Google Translate, I'm still not sure I understood TS's second line. – Robin Hood↝talk 22:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

(←) hehe. Hoola Hoops. ABC > ¿Va a alimentar a su bebé alphabety espaguetis. The Silencer has spoken^Talk 22:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Radiant QuestsEdit

I am not too sure what you have been doing, but I am pretty sure you're removing valid quests from place pages. You removed a quest with 9 radiant options and put the radiant note there. That template is really for places with 20 or 30+ radiant options. I think it would be best for you to hold off until we figure out a consistent guideline for the template. Thanks. elliot (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

If you're referring to removing Bounty quests from pages, I already realized my mistake, and will get to it in a bit. Otherwise, I'm following Nephele's lead on this one, and only removing those with 25+, which are noted on the Radiant page. ABCface^◥ 19:29, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, Skyrim:The Forgemaster's Fingers seems to be an exception then. While there are many locations, there are only a few per chief. I guess that kind of threw me off. I'm in the process of actually converting the notes into a template, so now you should be adding {{Skyrim Radiant Quest Note}} instead. Thanks! elliot (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Imperial Rift CampEdit

Thanks for following me and improving the Imperial Rift Camp page. The camp isn't just "abandoned", it's removed. That seems worth noting to me. I think the most apt description is that the camp is "struck", but maybe that's too narrow a term and people won't know it. What you think? --JR^{Talk E-mail} 04:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

And it's place summary says it has a dungeon. (??) --JR^{Talk E-mail} 04:31, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought that might be one of the camps that 'disappeared' from the game during the civil war quests, but I couldn't remember for sure, so I just left it as 'abandoned'. I went ahead and changed it now that you've confirmed it is one of those. Also, I believe the 'Dungeon' entry in the place summary is something used to categorize locations for organization on the site, but I'm not entirely certain on how that's determined. Nephele would be a good person to ask, since she runs the bot that has filled in most information for summary templates on pages. ABCface^◥ 04:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. --JR^{Talk E-mail} 05:10, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

IconsEdit

Hey ABCFace, I made some icons (here, here and here) that we discussed in email! I just did those 3 for now so you can just see how they are and if they want changing in anyway! --kiz ^talk_email 17:54, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of icons, I did see your post on my page the other day that you later deleted. One thought I had in looking at those was that if you use the Perk trees as icons (and I really have no strong feelings whether you should or shouldn't compared to the pale icons), it would look best if you separated them by specialty. Then they separate out into icons with red, green, and blue backgrounds respectively. We'd have to do something about the smithing icon, though...it being half-height really makes it look stupid. :) That said, assuming you're looking at Kiz's icons to go where you had the Perk tree icons, I'd go with his over the Perk tree icons any day. – Robin Hood↝talk 19:20, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I can enlarge that a bit (as a whole), i'll just wait until ABC chimes in before I start on the rest. Do you mean the perk tree images as in these, i'd vote against those if thats the case! --kiz ^talk_email 19:28, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, not speaking very clearly here, am I? The "you" I was referring to was ABCface, and the icons were the Trainer icons in the bottom-left of her sandbox. – Robin Hood↝talk 19:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

(←) Kiz, I think the black&white versions are great, and think that way will work out quite well overall. I went ahead and placed them in the table in my sandbox to see what they looked like at that size. I will admit that the Archery icon is a little odd-looking at 22px... Viewing the full-size image, you can tell it's a bow & arrow, but at only 22px, it kinda looks like a long blob and an arrow. If it's possible to make the inside of the bow (the 'empty space') transparent rather than filled in, that might look better, but I'm not sure if you can do that or if it's that big of a deal... maybe I'm just being too nitpicky? Taking another look at all 18 skill images, the others that I think might be weird depending on how they're shaded are for Block, Light Armor, and Sneak. I think the majority of them will look great the way you've done the first three, especially the magic-related skills, so I guess the few that might not aren't really worth worrying about. I think the way you're altering them works really well, so I'd say go ahead and do the rest at your convenience. :)

I understood what ya meant, RH, and I would have to agree on not using the perk tree icons (I think I said something about just ignoring those in my deleted message, haha). ABCface^◥ 02:52, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

PS: I don't know if it matters or not, since these images are probably only going to be used as icons in the 22px size, but viewing the Archery image at full-size, you can still see shades of the knotwork on the right side. You can't tell at 22px, but I just thought I'd mention it in case it matters at all. ABCface^◥ 02:55, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Just ignore my stupidity RH ;) And, i'll reverse the bow. I'll do the rest now and upload them - i'll look into the knotwork on the bow as well :) --kiz ^talk_email 16:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: Bow looked horrible reversed, I knew there was a reason I did it that way... i'm just doing the rest now! --kiz ^talk_email 17:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Now I just feel like i'm talking to myself... shall continue anyway...

I just did some more (here), feel free to note anything wrong with them and i'll fix them, i've done for the night now though! --kiz ^talk_email 20:56, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry you feel like you're talking to yourself, I just now got the chance to get back on here. I think they all look great, and the Block & LightArmor icons didn't have the issues I was imagining at all, so it may just end up being the Archery image that's not ideal in 22px, which isn't a major issue at all. Thanks so much for taking on this project, the black&white versions work out really well! Can't wait to see the rest :) ABCface^◥ 02:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm always going to talk to myself... I blame the timezones! Damn timezones....

But, i've done! I tweaked the Archery ones and have done the rest! Just check them all out, if you see any flaws in them feel free to point them out! --kiz ^talk_email 18:56, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

(←) Yay! I just took a look at all the images, and they look great! Thanks so much for volunteering for this project, and especially for dealing with my silly complaint about the Archery image-- your change was exactly what I meant, and I think it looks much better at 22px now. :) Now I've got to start my end of the project, and start adding the icons to the appropriate pages. Hopefully, I'll get them all done tonight, but if not, they'll be done by the weekend for sure. Thanks again! ABCface^◥ 01:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, it turns out this old, crappy, borrowed computer is not up to the task of opening more than one tab at a time... I thought I could deal with it being slow, but taking five+ minutes to load a page and then having the browser completely shut down after trying to open a second tab has led me to the decision that this project ought to wait until I have a better computer again. That should only be two days from now, so until then, I probably won't even bother trying to get back on the wiki. Thanks again for all your work on the images, I'll make sure they're all used appropriately in a few days. :) ABCface^◥ 02:41, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hero of KvatchEdit

Not sure if you want to go there, but I found a mention of "Hero of Kvatch" on the Lore:Hero page, if you wanted to let Jesseclark152 know that. --Xyzzy 07:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Haha! That's exactly what I just linked to on that user's page. Thanks! ABCface^◥ 07:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I saw that, but I thought it was too brief for such a big part of the series. Shouldn't each link there get its own page? Not arguing, just wondering. -Jesseclark152

Yeah, I was kind of thinking the summaries should link to the related pages, but I'm not very knowledgeable about standards in Lorespace (it differs a bit from regular game namespaces) so I don't know if there's a reason that it doesn't. Maybe you can try bringing it up on the talk page for that article? (Skyrim has the Dragonborn page, and also the Prisoner page which is technically what game-data calls the player from the start of the game. But I really don't know about links for the other games.)

Also, you should sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes: ~~~~ or using the 'signature' button above the edit box. It helps to follow discussions a little more easily. ABCface^◥ 08:13, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Gotcha. What exactly was wrong with my original article again? Other than the namespace thing (which I'm guessing should be Lore:Hero of Kvatch) -Jesseclark152

I only marked it for deletion because it was in the wrong namespace, not because of what you had written. And yeah, I think 'Lore:Hero of Kvatch' would be more appropriate, though the Lore namespace requires that references are added to the page. I don't know much about the standards on the Lore namespace, as they're more strict than other areas of the site, and I just use it for information rather than editing in that area. Maybe you could ask Minor Edits since he is a mentor on the site and is more knowledgeable than I am when it comes to the Lore namespace. I think Legoless is a major contributor in the Lore namespace, so he would be another good editor to ask.

Also, if you'd like to set up the page for now, but are unsure where to put it, you should start the page at your own sandbox so that you can edit freely. Then, when it's determined where the article should be placed (if it's not somewhere on site already), you can simply copy/paste the information to the correct location. Hope that helps! ABCface^◥ 08:35, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

forumEdit

my account wont sign into the forum why? thanks -Death from volley 04:47, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Eek, I wish I could answer this question for you! I have never used the forums once, so I'm not sure. Perhaps you could try asking someone on the IRC? Sorry I couldn't be more help! ABCface^◥ 04:49, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

k thanks anyway this editing thing is confusing all the codes and for my user page i took some of those icons you have on yours but only the ones i am compatible with like i play skyrim a lot beat dawnguard day i got it, oh and i cant do anything about it but their missing the destroy the dawnguard mission completely from the list of quests. -Death from volley 05:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a forum account? it is different from the wiki account. — Kimi the Elf ^{(talk | contribs)} 05:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

no thanks :) -Death from volley 05:36, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Your welcome. I cannot find this 'destroy the dawnguard mission' are you sure it exists? do you know how to start it? — Kimi the Elf ^{(talk | contribs)} 05:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

(←) yea just beat it had to kill the Dawnguard leaders its one of the what can i help with missions. death from volley 06:14, 29 June 2012

I'm going o work my way back through the games have most achievements for skyrim did multiple questlines and beat dawn star next is oblivion and then morrowind- death from volley 06:14, 29 June 2012

So, you got the forum thing all worked out then? I hope so. (Thanks Kimi for helping with that.) As for Dawnguard, that's great that you've beat it already. We can use all the help we can get on adding and improving the Dawnguard-related information on the site! As for the quest that's missing, I haven't gotten that far yet, so I'm not sure about adding it myself without knowing the name/details of the quest. I'm really slow about going through games like this because I like to explore everything, talk to everyone, experiment with all quest options, read completely through the books the first time I find them, etc. So it'll probably be a while before I get through the whole questline. But I'll get there! I keep telling myself I'll play Morrowind again eventually too, but I still haven't even started the 3rd Mass Effect yet, and I want to go through the Assassin's Creed games again before the new one comes out... so it'll be a while! Anyway, have fun editing, and feel free to ask me (non-forum-related) questions any time you like! I'll try to help if I can. :) ABCface^◥ 20:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

cool it is a bunch of repeating side quests they have to keep you occupied like for the thieves guild i guess (mostly just sends you out to kill random leaders of other vampire cults and murder people will framing the dawnguard) still trying to figure out if i can change my wife haven't had the option maybe its because she is a companion (aela) death from volley 21:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've started to do the "What can I help with?" missions on the Dawnguard side, and it sounds like it's the vampire faction's parallel to the missions Gunmar gives. If it isn't added already by the time I come back online later, I'll get on a save file from before choosing a side so I can switch and check it out. Then I can know what it is when I add it. :)

Also, as for the marriage thing, unless there is something new I don't know about, you are not able to switch your spouse in any way. There is no divorce, and no remarrying (even if your spouse dies), so I think you're stuck with Aela... although now that I'm typing this, I'm thinking maybe you meant this quest and if that's the case your theory might make sense. If she's scripted to keep her lycanthropy no matter what, it may not be possible for her to become a vampire. This is just guesswork though, your best bet would be to wait for someone to add details to that page, or ask on the talk page there. You can add the page to your watchlist so it's easier to know when the page has been edited. ABCface^◥ 23:49, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

(←) getting oblivion within next week they just bumped it down from 40 to 20 dollars on xbox marketplace oh and whats your gamer tag i have no one on my list that plays elder scrolls besides one and he doesn't play anymore death from volley

Sorry, I don't have my own gamertag, 'cause I use my partner's, and don't ever connect to the internet except for specific downloads (I didn't have a single patch on my game until downloading Dawnguard). As for Oblivion, you may be able to get the GoTY edition used at GameStop for about the same amount, so if the Xbox Marketplace one doesn't give you the DLC, you might want to look into that, as it would be a better value. (Shivering Isles is pretty sweet, if you haven't played it yet.)

Anyway, User_talk pages are intended to be used for messages related to wiki business, so if you'd like to continue chatting, you can find me in the IRC occasionally, or click the link at the top of the page for my e-mail. :) ABCface^◥ 18:49, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Skyrim linksEdit

I noticed your changes to my links for Confessions of a Khajiit Fur Trader. Is there something wrong with using the {{SR}} template? My understanding is that a bot will just change it later; is that no longer functioning? Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 06:22, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

I only changed it because I've seen the bot change them before, so I figured the template wasn't wanted. I know it doesn't matter in the long run if it's going to be changed anyway, but I just happened to notice it is all. ABCface^◥ 06:23, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 06:27, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Just to clarify, there's nothing at all wrong with using the template, nor is it not wanted. The only reason we change them is that it can add a bit of extra load to the servers when there start to be a lot of them. It's faster to display a direct link than it is to go through a template that then ends up displaying the same link. It can, however, be easier and less error-prone to use the template, especially for TR3 and TR4 which are really long links to type out fully. For most of the rest, it's probably just as easy to use a link like [[SR:Skyrim]], which doesn't need to be changed, rather than {{SR|Skyrim}}, which will be, but as long as the bot's around to replace them, there's no particular reason not to use the template if that's your preference. Oh, and if you're wondering why we have the templates when the namespace shortcuts exist, it's because we haven't always had namespace shortcuts available and some people got used to using the templates. – Robin Hood↝talk 20:55, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying, RH. I just assumed it wasn't wanted, but I'll keep that in mind in the future. ABCface^◥ 22:07, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

ThanksEdit

Thanks for the time edit on Skyrim_talk:Vampirism#Hooded_regeneration...it seems instead of using the server time on the history pages it uses my local time (Eastern USA), I set it back to server time so that wont happen again. O and sorry if I shouldn't of wrote this here still learning what everything is for. --SPMcKinney 17:15, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

No big deal. The times aren't really that important anyway, it's just preferred to use the UTC time (says so in the {{unsigned}} template anyway). And usertalk pages are meant to talk to users about wiki business, so this is exactly the right place for this message. Have fun editing, I've noticed many edits of yours while patrolling, and you are doing just fine. :) -ABCface^◥ 17:20, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Ahh I been using {{unsigned2}} (easier to copy from the History page for me) but good this was the place don't like "breaking rules". I figured since I was here a lot anyways I should/would contribute when I was able to and thanks :D --SPMcKinney 17:30, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

{{unsigned2}} is just as good, as is {{uns}} or {{uns2}} (which are even easier because they're shorter), that was just the first page link I could think of that actually mentioned the bit about the UTC thing (turns out, they all mention that). Go ahead and use whichever one is easiest, and keep up the good work- this site is what it is because of the editors who use it, so your help is appreciated! ABCface^◥ 17:34, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Legendary DragonsEdit

Hello, I posted in the Dragons section under Legendary about them appearing as low as level 50. I was able to find one at level 50 on my xbox yesterday, [2]. — Unsigned comment by 69.30.47.58 (talk) at 14:16 on 6 July 2012

I already amended the article with a {{VN}} tag until we know more. ABCface^◥ 14:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. -Daveastation ;) — Unsigned comment by 69.30.47.58 (talk) at 14:58 on 6 July 2012

So, what exactly is the point of the "uh...ok?" in the history? I was never rude to you, so why did you decide to be rude to me? To answer you're "uh...ok?," my "You're Welcome" is a subtle way of telling you that you should have thanked me for my contribution. It truly doesn't matter what your wiki says beyond reporting false information that causes people to have false expectations, specifically for the question that was asked by user Ohnoitsmangofett: "Does anyone know the minimum level you have to be at before legendary dragons will start to appear?" I've clearly proven that 50 is the lowest documented case. Have you even bothered to contact that user and let them know that your initial response was misinformed? I expect more professional treatment from board moderators than this, especially from people that are over the age of 17. 69.30.47.58 22:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC)Daveastation

Subtle? If you say so. But ABCface is generally very courteous. Chill out; no one's trying to disrespect you. If you're around here long enough, you'll see that people are constantly revising and improving the work of others, and it's almost always appreciated. If we went around thanking each other for each little thing, I'd be issuing thanks over and over again on the talk pages of ... well, even the list itself is too long. My point is, just presume thanks. As for professional treatment: poopies. That is all. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 22:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Daveastation:The article was amended before you posted about the video the first time. I read and responded to your message on the article's talk page before you posted about the video, explaining that I thought, from the evidence I've seen, that the legendary dragon spawns on regular leveled lists for dragon spawns at level 78, and that the chance of finding one before then is rare. I didn't say it was impossible or dispute your claim. The {{VN}} tag on the article is meant to let readers know that the content needs to be verified, and for editors to add personal experience to the discussion to so consensus can be reached. Your rare experience has already been added to the discussion, so I don't understand the point of repeating the information on my talk page since the topic has already been addressed on the appropriate page. As for your understanding of the "uh, ok?" that's exactly what it meant- I didn't understand the point of you adding the link here when it's already been posted about elsewhere. Thanks for your help. ABCface^◥ 23:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

{{LE}} templateEdit

Can you explain to me what this timplate does? I can't find a description of it, nor can I tell what it does when I try it out. Thanks. --Xyzzy 14:46, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

It means Linkable Entry. It means that a redirect will take you to that section rather than the first mention of it on a page. The Ratway Warrens for example is mentioned at the top of the page, but the redirect takes you to the section below. The Silencer speaks^Talk 14:52, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah ha! I see. Thanks, Silencer. --Xyzzy 15:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

What he said. :) It's especially useful for linking to items listed in tables, such as what's done for the many redirects to pages like this one. -ABCface^◥ 19:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

The warningEdit

I moved Snowmane's warning to my main page. SFK363 14:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Quest Reward EditsEdit

I noticed that you reverted an edit that StormShades made to the Horn of Jurgen Windcaller, adding "progress in storyline" to the reward section. This user made this same edit to a bunch of other quest pages a while back, but I didn't want to revert them, not knowing if there had been some discussion about it. Do you want to revert all the other ones as well? I agree with you that it seems like a pointless addition. --Xyzzy^Talk 01:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

If a quest is part of a series (that one being part of the main Skyrim questline, most of the others the user edited part of the main Dawnguard questline), my opinion is that 'progress in storyline' is a given. If a series of quests branches off, or ends abruptly depending on your choices, that sort of thing goes in the walkthrough itself. While those additions were true (completing the quest does allow you to move on to the next), I really don't feel that they are considered "rewards", but rather an expected outcome of standard gameplay. There wasn't a dicussion, just my personal opinion. I figure if enough other users disagree with me, they can revert or bring it up somewhere to establish further consensus. Also, I think I reverted most of the ones for Dawnguard already, but I've only reverted that one from the main Skyrim questline. ABCface^◥ 02:07, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

The only other time I could see this addition being useful is if completing the quest does not give any reward outside of allowing start of the next quest. In that case, maybe stating "Progress in storyline only" might be appropriate. --Xyzzy^Talk 02:14, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't even think that's needed. The {{Quest Header}} template includes a "Next" parameter which shows that completing the quest leads to the following quest if it's part of a series. It would be redundant to have that information listed there along with a note for the "Reward" parameter that tells you basically the same thing. That's just my opinion, though. ABCface^◥ 02:48, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

ABC's already covered the points I would've made, but I thought I'd at least add my voice to the chorus. – Robin Hood↝talk 02:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Nationality UserboxesEdit

Just noticed you added a few of these that aren't being used. I don't think this is really necessary. If you're planning to use it yourself, or a new user from these countries requests help making one, it's one thing, but we don't really need to go making one for every country in the world, particularly if there's nobody using them. That's why we put the disclaimer on the top of the list in case anyone from a country we don't have already wants help making one. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 04:06, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I only added two, both that were wanted by users. One is already being used, the other hasn't seen the talk page post about it yet. ABCface^◥ 04:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thought I saw 3 recently, but the Singapore one wasn't you, and it is being used, so no problem. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 11:32, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Timestamp changeEdit

Thank you for changing that timestamp, I guess it isn't good to do {{uns2}}'s when your close to falling asleep lol again thanks :D --SPMcKinney 06:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Not on the Timestamp topic but didn't wanna make a new section just for a question. Can any one report spam or just the patrollers? Kinda a stupid question just don't wanna do something I shouldn't ya know. --SPMcKinney 07:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

haha, no biggie, most people wouldn't even make that change but I am just a little OCD about signatures on talk pages (honestly there's no need to worry about something that's only a few hour's difference, it's just me :P)

As for the spam, please report it! Anyone can, and we can definitely use the help, since we've been getting lots of spam attacks lately. There's a handy set of pre-written messages and warnings here, and if it was a page created just for spam, you can use the {{speed}} template. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions. :) ABCface^◥ 11:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

lol I am OCD with them too, its the main reason I switched the displayed time to UTC instead of my local time. As with spam I will start when ever I see it, I got the template memorized now :D --SPMcKinney 17:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

User pageEdit

Is it ok if I use your user page setup ( Layout of boxes Ect.) i'm terrible at making mine go where I want and the layout you have is clean and simple. I will change the boxes to ones specific to me if you allow me to use. Cheers.KingK 13:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

EDIT One more thing, how do you change name colour and add the talk icon next to it?KingK 13:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

That is perfectly fine! Many users on the site do this quite often. My old setup was a mix of different stolen pieces from other users too. :) It's actually a fun way of getting more acquainted with table formatting if you're not too good with it (or have never done it ever, like me back then).

As for the name color and talk icon, do you mean my signature? If you click on the "my preferences" link at the top right of the page, you can insert special formatting for your signature. Then, make sure to click the box that says "Treat the above as wiki markup...." and whenever you sign talk pages it will automatically use your customized signature instead of the standard signature. This is what I inserted for mine:

[[User:Alphabetface|<font color="Teal">ABCface</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Alphabetface|<font color="Teal">◥</font>]]</sup>

If you're going to use this as an example and edit it for yourself, you would: change the first link to match your own username (of course), change the color to whatever you like (there's a handy list of colors here), make the label for the first link (usually the same as the name itself, but I shortened mine to 'ABCface'), then link to your talk page and change the label to whatever you'd like. The 'sup' & '/sup' just makes the font "superscript" so it's smaller and to the top. Here's a random example of something you could use:

[[User:KingK|<font color="ForestGreen">KingK</font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:KingK|<font color="ForestGreen">Talk</font>]]</sup>

which would look like this: KingK^Talk

A lot of people like to add links to their contributions or e-mail as well, but you can customize it as you please. Let me know if you have any more questions, and have fun!

-ABCface^◥ 14:10, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Also, Xyzzy is using a modified version of my userpage setup at the moment, if you like the tables but want them on different sides. Looking at other people's userpages is one of the easiest ways to figure out how to tweak yours how you like it. :) ABCface^◥ 14:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Yay, oooooh green, Ima gunna ave orange :) cheers ABC. KingK 14:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Tadaa.KingK^Talk 14:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

XD Not very orange. Didn't like orange.KingK^Talk 14:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

haha, sometimes colors you like don't look as good on the UESP background. But it's cool. If you're like me, you'll probably change it more than once before you're satisfied. :) But changing your signature means UESP owns a little more of your soul... just a warning :P ABCface^◥ 14:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Reminds me of Talk Talk.KingK^Talk 14:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Warning SpammersEdit

Hi, Alphabetface! I noticed that you recently warned a user who had only contributed to spam links to an external site. We don't warn people who only spam, as they are quite often just bots who won't read the warning or unfortunate employees of some evil corp that just don't care. We only warn about spamming links to external sites if they have contributed positively in the past, and they just start posting links to a personal site a bit too aggressively. In all other cases, there is no reason for it. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 14:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the head's up. ABCface^◥ 14:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

About the changes you make on the page The Golden ClawEdit

I think you messed up the Quest Stages and Objectives. They are different. Their number can be different. Example: Quest Stage 30 can display Objective 15. Quest Stage 30 won't always display Objective 30. In the Golden Claw, the quest stage 30 display objective 10. It is shown on the Script: SetObjectiveDisplayed(10, abforce=true). Dickson916

Apparently, the problem is a discrepancy between information on CSlist and information on the CK. I've reverted it back to RobinHood70's last version, as he is the SRQRP project leader for the CK section, and sent him a message to try and figure some things out. ABCface^◥ 14:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

The CK says that objective 10 is displayed at quest stage 35; quest stage 30 just registers that the spider is dead. In CSList, under INDX=35, the piece of script includes SetObjectiveDisplayed(10, abforce=true). At quest stage 40, "Find the secret" is the objective that is displayed, with SetObjectiveDisplayed(30, 1) being under INDX=40. There is no discrepancy; the current version is correct. Vely^►t►e 15:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I wasn't looking at those details, thanks for pointing that out Vely. ABCface^◥ 15:43, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

HelpEdit

what does "50+(PC-1)x8.3" mean? This is for health, stamina and majicka. — Unsigned comment by KingK (talk • contribs) at 21:02 on 6 August 2012

PC = Player Character Level. In the above example a level of 10 would equal a total of 124.7. The Silencer speaks^Talk 21:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Ahh tht makes sense. I'm Lvl 81 so would need a calculator for that :) — Unsigned comment by KingK (talk • contribs) at 18:56 on 7 August 2012

ArchivingEdit

Oh sure, go and create a bunch of archives just after I run the bot to look for pages that need protected. :) Unless one of our admins is eager to do so, remind me tomorrow and I'll do another bot run. – Robin Hood↝talk 06:09, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not done yet. :P I'm just getting all the ones listed on the link from the Archiving Guideline page... except possibly the Easter Eggs talk page— I try to just steer clear of that one! ABCface^◥ 06:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't blame you on the Easter Eggs page. I noticed you didn't do any more after this post. Are you planning on doing more? Either way, just let me know whenever you're done. Thanks! – Robin Hood↝talk 17:51, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I was actually on the last one as I replied, so I finished just after that. I'm all done now. :) ABCface^◥ 02:55, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, the bot's on it then. – Robin Hood↝talk 06:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

EaracuatitEdit

Hey ABCface!Sorry to bother you but this has been nagging at my mind for a while now.The user Earacuatit replaced the potlitical views in Anticlere in Daggerfall with external links to other sites.Nothing has been done about it so far so I thought I'd bring it up.Again,sorry to bother you.--Skyrimplayer 17:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, you did the right thing by reverting-- as for further action, such as blocking, I've gone ahead and contacted Krusty via IRC to handle it. If you don't see an active blocker or admin on the wiki, posting to the Administrator Noticeboard would be a good way to ensure that appropriate action is taken in situations like this. In any case, Krusty blocked him as I was typing this message, so it's all good now. :) ABCface^◥ 17:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Any time you see something like that, feel free to revert it as long as it's clearly not legitimate. A lot of the time, people only look at the modern games, so spam or vandalism in older namespaces goes unspotted. What you did was absolutely the correct thing to do. If the user has a history of posting spam repeatedly but intermittently, you should also bring it to the Administrator Noticeboard. – Robin Hood↝talk 17:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Castle VolkiharEdit

Hello,

I just wanted to get some clarification on something. I edited the Castle Volkihar Entry to include specific number of containers and specifically mentioning if they were safe. I noticed that much of this was reduced to one line. I am new so I am still trying to get with the feel of things, but I was trying to be as precise as possible as outlined by the guidelines. Can I get some clarification on this, I'm not 100% sure why this was truncated. I know I'm new and that may sound like a n00bish question, but just trying to learn. any feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thank you Kapnbanjo 01:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not Alphabetface, but I do have a fair bit of experience of writing location descriptions. I tend to avoid stating how many of each container and such are safe in an area, instead grouping them like they had been in the article you edited. I think it help make the article better to read and less cluttered. Hope you find this helpful, and keep up good work! - Emoboy64 02:06, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

So in other words be precise as you can, concisely as you can? Alright, I think I got it. Thank you! Kapnbanjo 03:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) First things first: welcome to the wiki Kap! I'm glad you've decided to start contributing to the site, especially given our need for better Dawnguard pages! As for the change you're referring to, we typically don't list each and every container in a given location in that way on place pages. If the information can be generalized into a concise note (rather than nine very similar notes) while remaining accurate, that's usually a better way to go. Keeping it nice and succinct makes it easier to read, makes the page cleaner as a whole, and doesn't add unnecessary length to the article. Your edits weren't wrong in any way-- all of the information was both accurate and notable. In this case, the various notes were a bit redundant to read, particularly as it was a lot of the same information at the end of several paragraphs in a row. Now, the same information is there, just a bit quicker to find and get to the point of. Hope that all makes sense. Please ask if you have any more questions, and have fun editing! ABCface^◥ 03:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting out my problem with the bullet point. :<) I would give you a prize but I don't know how...--Oblivion Dude 17:44, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Heya :)Edit

I was wondering if you could block this user Ednacarroll277, as the person has put up links to external sites on their talkpage as a form of spam, and I have reverted that and put a "speedy deletion" tag on that page, and then I saw they reverted it back to the way it was before. I've already reverted it back to the "speedy deletion" tag, and I saw that you were a blocker, so I was wondering if you could do anything about blocking that user please? :) Much appreciated Helenaannevalentine 04:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I was told by an admin and a blocker to only block these types of spammers if they make several repeated edits, and two isn't enough for that. I'll poke Krusty about it in a second as he's on IRC right now; if he doesn't respond, I'll wait until they do it again before blocking. Thanks for pointing it out though, I was busy multitasking and didn't see the recent string of spam on the RC, but your message pointed it out to me right away. :) ABCface^◥ 04:39, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE: The same user reverted my edits once again. Should I post a warning to them as well as keeping the "speedy deletion" tag up on their talkpage? Helenaannevalentine 04:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, just saw that right after responding here. No need for a warning, if they do it once more and Krusty hasn't responded yet, I'll go ahead and block them. ABCface^◥ 04:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Helena, the user is a spambot, so a warning would never even be read. And, if you want to be technical, the edit was never "reverted". The bot was adding a new section under the tag. :p ES^{(talk•email)} 04:49, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Ahaha, I soooo knew that Eric! Meh, I guess coming straight home from school and finding an annoying spammer, in this case, a "spambot", isn't a good combo :P Nevermind, I hope that someone can get round to dealing with it :) Helenaannevalentine 04:53, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

(←) Could you please sort out this ip address, regarding their constant nonsense and obscenities towards the Goblin Jim article? They tried to re-add the info that was removed after I gave them a warning about it. Thanks Helenaannevalentine 07:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Already saw it and keeping an eye on it. If they do it again, I'll go ahead and block them. Thanks for pointing it out, though. ABCface^◥ 07:26, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Food and ingredientsEdit

I don't think we should merge them. Ingredients for alchemy is very different from food, but it isn't clear if you merge them, which one is which. Plus, there might be more than just those two, and there are a TON of food items. There really isn't any harm in splitting them up, and it makes it much easier to find the items you are looking for. (Plus, they are split up in the skyrim interface and elsewhere on this wiki).67.170.48.108 01:30, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

As seen here, some ingredients are actually listed on the Food page of the wiki. I've separated the two ingredient items within the section now, though, as you're right that it's better to distinguish between them. Is this a good compromise? — ABCface^◥ 01:37, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

Yep, I think that is a perfect compromise! 67.170.48.108 01:41, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

Awesome, thanks for bringing it up. :) — ABCface^◥ 01:43, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

Re Touching the SkyEdit

That third paragraph of the walkthrough is back to all goofy: "The five wayshrines are scattered across the Forgotten Vale, while one is only reachable to a medium ice cave. After the ewer is full, keep making your way through a Falmer village."

To a medium...??? The ewer is filled after the falmer villages

Otherwise it's looking pretty good. — Unsigned comment by 118.172.129.156 (talk) at 06:52 on 6 September 2012‎

I'll be honest, I didn't like that part either. I just reverted that particular sentence back to how it was before the previous edit because "in a linear manner" really does not apply to the Vale in any way. You're right that you wouldn't have the ewer full before going through the Falmer village though, so I just changed that part. Feel free to tweak it further if you'd like. — ABCface^◥ 02:55, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

Alternate AccountsEdit

Hey ABC, you may want to look at the {{Doppelganger}} template and consider adding it to your alternate accounts. For a functional example, see one of my doppelgangers. – Robin Hood↝talk 15:01, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

I've seen it, but I don't particularly like it. What I've done on each page is obvious enough, isn't it? — ABCface^◥ 15:02, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

Yup, that should be fine. Just wanted to make sure you were aware of it. – Robin Hood↝talk 15:03, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

Okay, well thanks then. :) I'll just leave them as is. :P — ABCface^◥ 15:04, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

Userpage TipEdit

hi ABCface thank for the tip :) I am kinda new and first time attempting this. I used your tip you left me behind but I actually wanted the same as my "about me" section. if you want to help me please, and feel free to edit it if you want. THANK YOU! — Unsigned comment by Tye (talk • contribs) at 14:42 on 10 September 2012‎

It's no problem, I remember how confusing all this wiki formatting stuff was for me in the beginning! I'm not sure exactly what you meant when you said what you wanted, so I'll go ahead and tweak the format a little bit to what I think you meant, and if I'm wrong, just let me know so I can undo it!

Also, when posting on talk pages like this one, you can add your signature by pressing the signature button above the edit box (it's the second-to-last one in my window) or by typing ~~~~ after your post. It's helpful to follow discussions :)

Oh, and one more thing-- usually, discussions are kept to one talk page. If someone posts on your talk page (like I did earlier) they will usually be watching that tale page for you to reply there. It keeps the same discussion all in one spot, and it's another helpful way to follow discussions easily :)

Anyway, let me know if you like my change or not, and please clarify what you meant if I misunderstood you! — ABCface^◥ 12:42, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

Meridia's beacon locationsEdit

I noticed on The Break of Dawn talk page that you started a table of possible locations for Meridia's Beacon to be discovered. An anon recently added another one to the talk page in a different section. Is this something that you are still interested in maintaining? --Xyzzy ^Talk 04:53, 20 September 2012 (GMT)

No, it was moved there months ago, after it was discovered that there are over 150 possible locations. It's kind of pointless to add any more to a table since we know that now. I'll reword the relevant post of mine accordingly. As for the anon's post in a different section, I just read it and I guess I'll just reply that they were responding to an outdated discussion (though they may not see it anyway since that post itself was from two weeks ago). — ABCface^◥ 15:43, 20 September 2012 (GMT)

Good enough for me. I just wanted to mark it as patrolled ;) Thanks. --Xyzzy ^Talk 03:52, 21 September 2012 (GMT)

That's what I figured, and I didn't mark it patrolled myself. :P — ABCface^◥ 03:54, 21 September 2012 (GMT)

Interior note on Fort Dawnguard pageEdit

The interior note that you added to the Fort Dawnguard page for the crafting stations back in June is not displaying properly, and I can't figure out how to fix it. Maybe the Note template needs to be edited to add a bullet to it? --Xyzzy ^Talk 05:10, 25 September 2012 (GMT)

Fixed. – Robin Hood↝talk 06:19, 25 September 2012 (GMT)

Thanks for fixing it RH, but I looked back at the version of the page before your fix, and I can't figure out what was wrong with it. It works fine for me looking at that version, so I'm curious what the issue was. A difference with browser versions, perhaps? I use Firefox. — ABCface^◥ 13:43, 25 September 2012 (GMT)

Before the fix it displayed as a bullet on a line of its own, then a dagger and the note indented below that. You're right, though, I just checked my own Firefox, and it looked fine. It looked as I describe in all the other browsers, though. – Robin Hood↝talk 18:46, 25 September 2012 (GMT)

Ah, okay then. Thanks for clarifying! Even if it had worked in other browsers the way it does in Firefox, I like it better the way it is anyway. Thanks Xyzzy for noticing the issue, and thanks RH for fixing! — ABCface^◥ 19:48, 25 September 2012 (GMT)

Blood on the IceEdit

Hey ABCface, I saw you're edit summary for the quest page Blood on the Ice and was wondering what you had in mind for the bugs section of it, since I saw you editing it? -Helenaannevalentine^(talk) 03:57, 29 September 2012 (GMT)

We've been talking about it in IRC, and basically all that needs to be done is a small change to the {{Bug}} template itself. I'm emailing RH about it at the moment, so once he can get that taken care of, the formatting in the Bugs section will be fixed as well. As it is now, the spaces are there on purpose, so please don't remove them! — ABCface^◥ 04:05, 29 September 2012 (GMT)

Oh okay, I was only just wondering about what you were up to, that's all :) Curiosity and all ;) -Helenaannevalentine^(talk) 04:07, 29 September 2012 (GMT)

No problem! A few of us in IRC noticed the weird divider lines in the middle of that section, and set to removing them. However, after starting to edit the section, we realized why it was done in the first place (it actually did make sense, though I'm too lazy to explain it all while multi-tasking, haha). — ABCface^◥ 04:14, 29 September 2012 (GMT)

I see! The dividers that were placed there were to separate the multiple bugs that were if I may say "categorized" into similar ones? -Helenaannevalentine^(talk) 04:26, 29 September 2012 (GMT)

Yeah, the way the template worked and the way the bugs on that particular quest page were organized and formatted, there wasn't a better workaround than either the dividers or giant spaces, so it was one or the other. Working with RH in IRC to fix it now though. :) — ABCface^◥ 04:34, 29 September 2012 (GMT)

That's good that it's finally being solved now though, especially considering there are so many bugs associated with that particular quest :) -Helenaannevalentine^(talk) 04:36, 29 September 2012 (GMT)

Captain MetiliusEdit

Hi. I see you're the one changing his page to a redirect to "unused NPCs". Problem is: now it isn't clear what the answer is to the question "is he or is he not implemented in the game?".

On one hand, the top of his current page says "This page lists all unused NPCs in Skyrim. None of these NPCs are present in the game." On the other hand, the page for Castle Dour lists him under the section "NPCs Living Here".

If he really can be found in game, I propose a revert of the redirect (giving his own emptyish page back). But I leave it in your capable hands (I browsed your talk archive for previous discussion on Metilius; you really must love them cookies ;-)

PS. Please note I was too lazy to actually check his status in-game. CapnZapp (talk) 13:04, 6 October 2012 (GMT)

Although I was the one to technically create the Unused NPCs page and redirect all the relevant NPC pages there, it was part of a project with a couple other editors, and I can't really give you an answer myself since I don't have the CK. One user had gathered the information from the CK and added notes to a sandbox, another user uploaded images for most of those NPCs, and I simply added links and formatted the page so we could launch it and redirect the relevant pages there. I would assume that it's correct that Captain Metilius is not actually implemented in the game, but I'll ask another editor with the CK to re-check this to be sure. If that is the case, we can remove him from the "NPCs Living Here" section of the Castle Dour page. Also, I'll go through and double check the pages which link to any NPCs on that page, to make sure this hasn't happened with any others. — ABCface^◥ 16:47, 6 October 2012 (GMT)

Thank you for reply! (Do check "what links here" on Metilius' (unredirected) page: you'll notice he's on the Solitude page as well as others too. CapnZapp (talk) 18:18, 6 October 2012 (GMT)

Btw, I did that and I only found an obvious "problem" (possible inconsistency) with the captain. All others live in obviously not-there places, or aren't mentioned anywhere else but the unimplemented page. CapnZapp (talk) 18:20, 6 October 2012 (GMT)

Okay, I spoke with Vely about this in IRC, and he re-checked in the CK. This is basically what he told me:

Nothing enables the NPC's markers, and he's not "used" by anything. If he was there, he wouldn't say anything but just wander. He is disable during CW02 (The Jagged Crown), so unless there is some hidden code that enables him, he does not exist in normal gameplay. Also, Holomay had to spawn him to get the image, so there's another indication that he doesn't exist.

Though most of this supports him being an unused NPC, Vely suggested that someone check in-game just in case, so I'll be doing so later tonight. Once I do so, I'll go ahead and update any other pages which mention him as existing. And of course I'll also double-check all the others which are on that page as well, just in case. — ABCface^◥ 18:31, 6 October 2012 (GMT)

Wow thanks! CapnZapp (talk) 11:40, 8 October 2012 (GMT)

Furnishing Options CatEdit

The construction pages that I removed Category:Skyrim-Hearthfire-Furnishing Options I have added the trail to Skyrim:Construction which added Category:Skyrim-Hearthfire-Construction. I assumed the old one would no longer be needed as they would be identical? — Kimi the Elf ^{(talk | contribs)} 22:39, 6 October 2012 (GMT)

Actually, the newer category isn't needed. I'm in the process of making a page which makes more sense to link to for the pages which only deal with furnishing options and not construction of the home itself. Right now, we have a link to the furnishing options category on the main Hearthfire page (temporary, until the new page is made) and having a link to a blank category is entirely unhelpful. — ABCface^◥ 22:41, 6 October 2012 (GMT)

EloisaEdit

Yeah, I missed that because I didn't even read Eloisa's entry all the way through, just read the bits about her in Brief History of the Empire. Cleaning up her entry wasn't the focus of my edit. But according to gpeters.com, the name Eloisa is 98 times more likely to be a girl's name than a boy's. I'm not personally aware of any boy receiving the name. Further, it doesn't make sense in context for Eloisa to be male. If Eloisa had been a boy, then in all likelihood, Eloisa would've become Emperor upon the death of Uriel VI, rather than Eloisa's twin Morihatha. There's no reason to think Bethesda meant for Eloisa to be male. In the end, it simply didn't look good to have those sorts of questions in the entry, even if there was some significant doubt about Eloisa's gender. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 07:12, 7 October 2012 (GMT)

Makes sense to me. — ABCface^◥ 14:20, 7 October 2012 (GMT)

Clearspring CaveEdit

Thanks for fixing my issue with the Clearspring Cave page. I tried purging the page and clearing my browser cache, to no avail, so I undid my edits. After you undid my undo, the Places page displayed the correct summary. I have no idea what happened, or why it's fixed now, but thanks :) --Xyzzy ^Talk 03:24, 15 October 2012 (GMT)

There was a similar issue on the mines page issue recently, as noted on the talk page. This time, I had to purge the places and caves page too in order for it to work, but I can't remember if I had to do the same for the Mines page or not. Also, I don't know if this is a new issue or something random that just happens from time to time. Either way, you're welcome. :) — ABCface^◥ 03:26, 15 October 2012 (GMT)

Re: Narfi - 'The Straw that Broke'Edit

Thanks for clarifying that. I could only get Sam's dialogue, and the game locking up. Any idea what gives with him? Sniffles (talk) 10:48, 19 October 2012 (GMT)

I'm not sure on the game-crash issue with him you experienced, I just had the issue with him recently where I was given the DB quest to kill him before doing that quest, so I wasn't able to do it on this playthrough. I've only rarely had game-crashing bugs, and they have all been one-offs for me. As for the dialogue, it's listed here as dialogue for those with the voice type "MaleDrunk" which Narfi has, so that's why that part isn't a bug. — ABCface^◥ 15:24, 19 October 2012 (GMT)

Jouane Manette Edit SummaryEdit

I didn't intentionally revert certain parts of your edit. As I stated in one of my edit summaries, I was delirious at the time and not capable of correctly merging edits. However, your sarcastic edit summary can be just as unhelpful for the wiki as the mistakes with my editions. Considering your own mistakes with merging my edits with your own, I think you can clearly understand how easy it is to let a small detail slip by (especially when you're not in the right state of mind). It doesn't help anything to chastise another user's good faith edition. To quote the Wikpedia article on edit summaries, " Editors should explain their edits, but not be overly critical or harsh when editing or reverting others' work. This may be perceived as uncivil, and cause tension or bad feelings, which makes collaboration more difficult. Explain what you changed, and cite the relevant policies, guidelines or principles of good writing, but try not to target or to single out others in a way that may come across as an attack or an insult." For the record, I did not take it as an insult, though I don't view the comment as civil, provoked, or necessary. As it isn't productive to continue to harp on a minor mistake that even I find myself prone to, I'll drop the issue as long as it isn't a frequent problem. I do want to make it clear that the sarcasm is not appreciated in the slightest, however. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 00:38, 30 October 2012 (GMT)

There was no sarcasm there, I was stating why I was re-fixing certain things. Hope you start feeling better soon. — ABCface^◥ 00:55, 30 October 2012 (GMT)

Faction LinksEdit

Would you please take a look at my question here? I would like to start adding some of the new DG factions to the list, but I don't want to start adding a bunch of redirect pages to the wiki if that's not the preferred method of linking them. Thanks. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:05, 20 October 2012 (GMT)

I had actually seen and read that question when you posted it, and even started typing a response to suggest that you do create the redirects... but then I took another look at the template doc and I was also confused because it seemed like you shouldn't have to (which of course is why you brought it up, I assume). So I figured I'd wait for one of our resident template gurus to chime in. I guess if none of them do within a day or so, go ahead and make the redirects? Though I'm pretty sure at least RH watches my talk page so he may see this if he hasn't seen that post ;) — ABCface^◥ 15:31, 20 October 2012 (GMT)

Prize DocsEdit

Hey, ABCface! I was forgetting about the upgrade today, so I'm gonna hold off on the Prize docs for 24 hours until we're reasonably sure the wiki is stable and isn't running into the upgrade problem that's plagued us in the past. RobinHood70 (talk) 11:20, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

Good idea, I'd forgotten about that too. Thanks! — ABCface^◥ 12:31, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

I notice you didn't archive this post. I don't even remember what this discussion about...is this something we still need to follow up on? – Robin Hood↝talk 20:34, 31 October 2012 (GMT)

It was my way of reminding you that you had said you were going to make Doc pages for the templates in this category. :P — ABCface^◥ 20:43, 31 October 2012 (GMT)

ShadowmarkEdit

So, I just logged on and your template edit was at the top of my Watchlist. Loved your edit summary! And don't worry, you did fine with the edit. :) – Robin Hood↝talk 19:19, 3 December 2012 (GMT)

haha, thanks. I actually have another question/complaint about the template which I know I can't address myself. If you have time, care to pop in IRC? PM is fine or #UESPWiki, I'm around either way. — ABCface^◥ 19:23, 3 December 2012 (GMT)

Stalhrim veins on articlesEdit

I think the issue is that the item is just called Stalhrim, but when you put it under ore type, the template makes the link to "Stalhrim Ore" which isn't the name of the item at all. No idea how to fix it without changing the template. Maybe just redirect Stalhrim Ore to Stalhrim? Jeancey (talk) 21:11, 5 December 2012 (GMT)

Specifying something like |stalhrim=2 should work now. --Alfwyn (talk) 21:13, 5 December 2012 (GMT)

Got it. Thanks, Alfwyn! — ABCface^◥ 21:14, 5 December 2012 (GMT)

Hey :)Edit

I create account and make my progres on Dragonborn site. Thanks for tip :D — Unsigned comment by Malva (talk • contribs) at 20:00 on 6 December 2012‎

It's no problem. It makes it easier to discuss with editors if needed when they have an account, since IP addresses can change and sometimes an anonymous user may receive a message intended for someone else. In any case, welcome to the wiki! I just sent ya a welcome message on your page, and the tips and links in your welcome message can be quite helpful if you'd like to check them out. Have fun editing! — ABCface^◥ 20:04, 6 December 2012 (GMT)